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  • #31
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    The epistles of Paul rightly divided are for Church doctrine in this dispensation.
    Who did Paul follow?
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
      Who did Paul follow?
      The RISEN and ASCENDED Lord Jesus Christ, but NOT Christ as the minister of the circumcision as Christ was when He came to His people Israel. Rom 15:8
      All of my ancestors are human.
      Originally posted by Squeaky
      That explains why your an idiot.
      Originally posted by God's Truth
      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
        The RISEN and ASCENDED Lord Jesus Christ, but NOT Christ as the minister of the circumcision as Christ was when He came to His people Israel. Rom 15:8
        He still received his ministry by revelation from the ascended Lord as did the Apostles receive theirs though they are not the same.
        He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

        Jim Elliot

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
          He still received his ministry by revelation from the ascended Lord as did the Apostles receive theirs though they are not the same.
          Things that are not the same are different...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
            He still received his ministry by revelation from the ascended Lord as did the Apostles receive theirs though they are not the same.
            The twelve did NOT receive their ministry from the RISEN and ASCENDED Lord Jesus Christ. They received THEIR ministry LONG before that while Christ was still walking the earth as the minister of the circumcision.

            The twelve did receive SOME instructions from the RISEN and NOT YET ASCENDED Lord Jesus Christ. But that was after they had been ministering to Israel for over 3 years.
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
              Things that are not the same are different...

              All of my ancestors are human.
              Originally posted by Squeaky
              That explains why your an idiot.
              Originally posted by God's Truth
              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

              Comment


              • #37
                Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                The twelve did NOT receive their ministry from the RISEN and ASCENDED Lord Jesus Christ. They received THEIR ministry LONG before that while Christ was still walking the earth as the minister of the circumcision.

                The twelve did receive SOME instructions from the RISEN and NOT YET ASCENDED Lord Jesus Christ. But that was after they had been ministering to Israel for over 3 years.
                Hebrews 13:8 King James Version (KJV)
                8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                Jim Elliot

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                  Hebrews 13:8 King James Version (KJV)
                  8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
                  Are you claiming Christ cannot change at all?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                    Are you claiming Christ cannot change at all?
                    What does the Scripture say?
                    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                    Jim Elliot

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                      What does the Scripture say?
                      You're the one who gave the verse that says Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

                      So why did you quote that verse?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                        Hebrews 13:8 King James Version (KJV)
                        8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
                        Classic OUT OF CONTEXT quotes will get you nowhere.

                        Some people use that verse to "prove" that Jesus Christ had a human body before He was born into the world.

                        That verse does NOT, in any way, shape or form, say that Christ cannot reveal NEW information OR have TWO unique ministries.

                        That verse is confirming the deity of Christ and His unchanging character.

                        The word SAME there has a CONTEXT. It does NOT means "the same in every possible way".
                        All of my ancestors are human.
                        Originally posted by Squeaky
                        That explains why your an idiot.
                        Originally posted by God's Truth
                        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                          Classic OUT OF CONTEXT quotes will get you nowhere.

                          Some people use that verse to "prove" that Jesus Christ had a human body before He was born into the world.

                          That verse does NOT, in any way, shape or form, say that Christ cannot reveal NEW information OR have TWO unique ministries.

                          That verse is confirming the deity of Christ and His unchanging character.

                          The word SAME there has a CONTEXT. It does NOT means "the same in every possible way".
                          So you're saying that Jesus changes.
                          He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                          Jim Elliot

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                            You're the one who gave the verse that says Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

                            So why did you quote that verse?
                            Scripture says, He doesn't change
                            He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                            Jim Elliot

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                              So you're saying that Jesus changes.
                              NOPE!

                              I'm saying that Jesus can give Paul a different ministry if He so chooses. And the Bible clearly demonstrates that that is exactly what He did.

                              So quit with the false allegations and out of context scripture quotes.

                              P.S. Did Jesus have a human body BEFORE He was conceived in Mary's womb?
                              All of my ancestors are human.
                              Originally posted by Squeaky
                              That explains why your an idiot.
                              Originally posted by God's Truth
                              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                                Scripture says, He doesn't change
                                In WHAT WAY does it say that Jesus is the same?
                                All of my ancestors are human.
                                Originally posted by Squeaky
                                That explains why your an idiot.
                                Originally posted by God's Truth
                                Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                                Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                                (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                                1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                                (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                                Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                                Comment

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