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  • #16
    Originally posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and since you say that there are TWO ERA'S , EXPLAIN Rom 5:14 , That death reigned FROM Adam to Moses , SO what is the GOSPEL and how were they SAVED ??

    dan p
    The times between Adam and Moses is part of the O.T. era; in that it was a time of men were saved by believing promise of Christ given by God in Genesis 3:15.

    The "Seed" of woman who would retaliate against and destroy the devil who deceived in the garden.

    God promised:

    "I will put enmity between you (Satan)and the woman (Eve), and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head [see Habakkuk 3:13b; Hebrews 2:14] and you shall bruise His heel." Genesis 3:15

    This was the first proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    And beginning from Seth, a familial lineage of Godly men called on the name of the Lord (exhibiting saving faith) unto Noah. Genesis 4:26-5:32
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
    Charles Spurgeon

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
      Peter is quoting scripture about Israel. Exodus 19
      That's not what Peter says in chapter 1..

      1Peter 1: 1Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
      2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
      3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
      4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
      5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
      6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
      7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
      8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
      9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
      10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
      11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
      So Peter was saying, according to you, that the Jews were not a people in the past and had not obtained God's mercy, but had now become a people and had obtained mercy. Really? So the Jews were never a people, a nation, a tribe descended from a single family? Where do you find that in Scripture? And where do we find the Bible calling the Jews strangers and pilgrims? A Jew calling fellow Jews strangers and pilgrims? Show me from Scripture were one Jew ever considered another Jew a stranger and a pilgrim. To the Jew a stranger and a pilgrim was always someone from another nation, another family, descended, not from Abraham but from other nations, other families.

      The Jews disallowed that the strangers and pilgrims had equal access to God. They didn't allege that of themselves. They were the chosen ones. The inheritors of the promises to Abraham.
      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
      ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

      “One and God make a majority.”
      ― Frederick Douglass

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
        So Peter was saying, according to you, that the Jews were not a people in the past and had not obtained God's mercy, but had now become a people and had obtained mercy. Really? So the Jews were never a people, a nation, a tribe descended from a single family?
        Not until God separated them from other people.

        Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
        Where do you find that in Scripture? And where do we find the Bible calling the Jews strangers and pilgrims? A Jew calling fellow Jews strangers and pilgrims?
        The "stranger and pilgrims" are the SAME people that James is writing to.

        Jas 1:1 KJV James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

        1Pe 1:1 KJV Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

        Those are Israelite's scattered into gentile lands starting in Acts 8:1.

        Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
        Show me from Scripture were one Jew ever considered another Jew a stranger and a pilgrim. To the Jew a stranger and a pilgrim was always someone from another nation, another family, descended, not from Abraham but from other nations, other families.
        Israelite's scattered abroad into gentiles lands.

        Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
        The Jews disallowed that the strangers and pilgrims had equal access to God. They didn't allege that of themselves. They were the chosen ones. The inheritors of the promises to Abraham.
        1Pe 2:11-12 KJV Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; (12) Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.


        All of my ancestors are human.
        Originally posted by Squeaky
        That explains why your an idiot.
        Originally posted by God's Truth
        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Nang View Post
          In the O.T. era, sinners were saved by faith in God's promise of a "Seed"; the Messiah to come.
          I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says Old Testament sinners were saved by faith in a promised "seed".

          Are you attempting to use historical revisionism on the Bible to get it to say something it doesn't say?
          Learn to read what is written.

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          The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
          ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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