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  • Blaming the chaff for being chaff

    Separating chaff from wheat makes sense to me; but I've never been able to get anyone to answer a straight forward question which is; how is it possible to fault chaff for being chaff?

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  • #2
    Free will?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ok doser View Post
      Free will?
      No, I don't mean to ask, do we have the choice to blame chaff for being chaff; I'm asking, how can chaff be blamed for being chaff? How is it the chaff's fault for being chaff?

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      • #4
        Greetings Winston,
        Originally posted by Winston Smith View Post
        Separating chaff from wheat makes sense to me; but I've never been able to get anyone to answer a straight forward question which is; how is it possible to fault chaff for being chaff?
        Yes, I agree with ok doser, there is the aspect of free will. Psalm 1 introduces the Psalms as a whole, and the theme of the psalms is how to develop to be like Christ and David, the man after God's own heart. Psalm 1 does give us the divergent paths of the righteous and the wicked, and the wicked are described as chaff. There appears to be an element of possible choice, a choice of what environment we become involved with, and we will be blessed if we carefully consider this Psalm, and its teaching that is, if we meditate upon the teaching of the word of God and develop the fruits of the Spirit.

        Kind regards
        Trevor

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Winston Smith View Post
          No, I don't mean to ask, do we have the choice to blame chaff for being chaff; I'm asking, how can chaff be blamed for being chaff? How is it the chaff's fault for being chaff?
          Hi and the CHAFF are those who reject their MESSIAH and Matt 25:46 !!

          In Matt 3:12 God will throughly PURGE His floor and then verb is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE !!

          Then He will GATHER / SYNAGO is also in the Greek FUTURE TENSE !!

          Then after God takes the WHEAT OUT He will BURN THE CHAFF also in the Greek FUTURE TENSE !!

          Notice the what you are reading is the NEAR VIEW !!

          Then during the end of the GREAT TRIBULATION is the FAR VIEW and is yet to happen !!

          dan p

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          • #6
            Right, you guys get it

            The chaff has chosen to be chaff

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Winston Smith View Post
              No, I don't mean to ask, do we have the choice to blame chaff for being chaff; I'm asking, how can chaff be blamed for being chaff? How is it the chaff's fault for being chaff?
              WS, these are some pretty dumb questions.

              In the wheat/chaff analogy, the chaff are the bad people, the unbelieving people. Those people are to blame for their own badness and their own unbelief.
              All of my ancestors are human.
              Originally posted by Squeaky
              That explains why your an idiot.
              Originally posted by God's Truth
              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                WS, these are some pretty dumb questions.

                In the wheat/chaff analogy, the chaff are the bad people, the unbelieving people. Those people are to blame for their own badness and their own unbelief.
                I can see this question is trickier than I first realized. Or the wrong people are answering...

                I guess if you haven't thought about it... Let me try it like this: Does wheat ever choose to be chaff?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  Right, you guys get it

                  The chaff has chosen to be chaff
                  Why would chaff need to choose to be chaff when it is already chaff?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TrevorL View Post
                    Greetings Winston,Yes, I agree with ok doser, there is the aspect of free will. Psalm 1 introduces the Psalms as a whole, and the theme of the psalms is how to develop to be like Christ and David, the man after God's own heart. Psalm 1 does give us the divergent paths of the righteous and the wicked, and the wicked are described as chaff. There appears to be an element of possible choice, a choice of what environment we become involved with, and we will be blessed if we carefully consider this Psalm, and its teaching that is, if we meditate upon the teaching of the word of God and develop the fruits of the Spirit.

                    Kind regards
                    Trevor
                    Ok, what are we before we choose? Are we good and not foolish? Imagine a time line; imagine someone moving along it. Are they good people for a while and then at some point on the line become wicked?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Winston Smith View Post
                      I can see this question is trickier than I first realized. Or the wrong people are answering...

                      I guess if you haven't thought about it... Let me try it like this: Does wheat ever choose to be chaff?
                      In the ANALOGY both wheat and chaff chose to be wheat and chaff.

                      So you're still asking silly questions.
                      All of my ancestors are human.
                      Originally posted by Squeaky
                      That explains why your an idiot.
                      Originally posted by God's Truth
                      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Winston Smith View Post
                        Why would chaff need to choose to be chaff when it is already chaff?
                        I think your analogy falls apart if you try to take it too far...

                        Which you seem to be doing, and by doing so, you're question begging.

                        Let's try a different analogy that might clear things up a bit (again, without taking it too far), which explains the dispensation of Grace (as opposed to the dispensation of Law).

                        Airline G preplans Plane A on a flight to Destination X, and Plane B on a flight to Destination Y.

                        Person P purchases a plane ticket, and is assigned to B going to Y, but then later changes his ticket so that instead of getting on B going to Y, he will now get on A going to X.

                        G had nothing to do with which plane ticket P purchased, just that A and B would go to X and Y, respectively, but only provided the upgrade option from B to A.

                        In this analogy, G is God, P is every individual human, A is the group called the "Body of Christ" (not the elect, that's a different analogy that isn't dealt with here), B is the group of people who ultimately reject God, X is Heaven, Y is Hell/the Lake of Fire.

                        Every person, from the time they are born until the age of accountability, is known by God.

                        When a person dies, they get on whatever plane they have purchased a ticket for, and are not allowed on the other plane.

                        But the first time they sin, they are separated from God, and by sinning, they have purchased the ticket for Hell/the Lake of Fire(LoF).

                        God offers an upgrade, through a membership program called "Grace," where those who have joined are called "Members of the Body of Christ" that lets whoever purchased a plane ticket for Hell/LoF upgrade to a plane ticket for Heaven free of charge, he just has to request it, and he will be given a new ticket that will allow him to use Plane A instead of Plane B when he dies. This upgrade is irreversible, but not once has anyone ever wanted to switch back to B before dying.

                        To expand on the age of accountability bit using the analogy...

                        From the moment a person is conceived until the age of accountability (AoA), they are outside of the airport terminal. The moment they reach the AoA however, they enter the terminal, and must purchase a ticket, the first option being to sin, which results in the ticket for Plane B, which nearly every human being has purchased, save One, and the second option, which only One Person has chosen throughout all of History, being to not sin, however, if one chooses this second option, they must work to remain worthy of that ticket, because failing to do so results in their ticket being automatically changed to the ticket for Plane B. This second option is the remnant of a previously available program, but that's a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened yet.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                          I think your analogy falls apart if you try to take it too far...
                          He seems to be taking the wooden literal idea that they are what they are as opposed to the actual meaning of the passage.
                          All of my ancestors are human.
                          Originally posted by Squeaky
                          That explains why your an idiot.
                          Originally posted by God's Truth
                          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Winston Smith View Post
                            I'm asking, how can chaff be blamed for being chaff? How is it the chaff's fault for being chaff?
                            Chaff is a metaphor for the unrighteous as the grain is a metaphor for the righteous.
                            Though the chaff has no choice in becoming chaff, mankind does have the free-will choice of being righteous or being unrighteous.
                            Therefore, we can blame the unrighteous for choosing unrighteousness over righteousness.
                            Learn to read what is written.

                            _____
                            The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                            ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Winston Smith View Post
                              Why would chaff need to choose to be chaff when it is already chaff?
                              Total Depravity is a false doctrine.
                              Learn to read what is written.

                              _____
                              The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                              ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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