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Was the fall necessary ?
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beloved57
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I want to discuss the points of the OP, thats why I started the thread. Do you care to do that ? Or do you want to start a rabbit trail ?
beloved57
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I dont care who talks on them !
Then don't post comments like this:
Nanja
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Amen Brother ! The Lord Jesus Christ has always been the Resurrection and the Life John 11:25 [Eternal Life] 1 John 5:11; Heb. 13:8 for all God's Elect Mat. 1:21 [His People] which were originally in Adam their Federal Head before the Fall. The same ones are those who were Chosen in Union with Christ Eph. 1:4-11; given Him of the Father John 10:29, and raised up together with Him Col. 2:13; John 10:29. For Eternal Life is Resurrection Life:
1 Pet. 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
That Eternal Life that the Elect receive when they are made alive spiritually is their part of Christ's Resurrection from the dead Titus 1:2. So Eternal Life was promised before the world began to those In Christ Eph. 1:4 exclusively. But it was never the hope of any man through Adam.
Hi and ,let's examine Phil 3:21 , and it is not a RABBIT trails or what is BUNKUM as you have a habit of doing !!
Here is why Christ did not JUST make us GODS , because Christ could never make GODS !!
Phil 3:21 reads that Christ at the resurrection SHALL TRANFORM / METASCHEMATIZO which is in the FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD !!
In other words Christ shall will transform US in order to BECOME THE SAME FORM AS THE BODY OF His BODY !!
This means we will be just like CHRIST !!
By the way , show where CALVINISM is called a GOSPEL or stop BLOVIATING !!
dan p
beloved57
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The Fall was necessary because Christs death for sin which came into the world by adams fall, was already preordained before the world began Rev 13:8/755
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Now the foundation of the world existed before adam. Not only that 1 Pet 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Christ and His redeeming blood was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world !
It can be said Christs death for sin was predestined before the foundation,, and if it was, so was the fall which therefore make it necessary to fulfill the decree of God !
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Now the foundation of the world existed before adam. Not only that 1 Pet 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Christ and His redeeming blood was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world !
It can be said Christs death for sin was predestined before the foundation,, and if it was, so was the fall which therefore make it necessary to fulfill the decree of God !
beloved57
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Excellent points and very edifying !
Hi and you NEVER ANSWERED Phil 3:21 and I do not make RABBIT TRAILS like you do , as you have BLOVIATED above !!
So how are you saved by the Gospel of Calvinism , PRAY TELL ??
dan p
Nanja
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Nanja
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Very well said !
Yes indeed, it was all of God, for He preordained it according to His Eternal Purpose in Christ, to Create a portion of mankind, God's Elect Eph. 1:4-5; 1 Pet. 1:20; Rom. 9:23, that Christ the Lamb was set up for from everlasting Prov.8:23; Rev. 13:8 to shed His Blood for Heb. 7:22; 1 Pet. 1:19; to Save them, His People given Him of the Father John 10:29; Heb. 2:17, to make reonciliation for their sins.
For this reason we have a Scripture 2 Tim. 1:9 that informs those with ears to hear Prov. 20:12 of a revealed Mystery about Christ and the Grace that was given His Elect exclusively, before the world began.
2 Tim. 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
beloved57
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Hi Did you want to discuss the post you quoted ?
beloved57
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Also very well stated, Thank God for your Godly Testimony !
Hi and you are completely AVOIDING Phil 3:21 , WHY ? I know you CAN NOT !!
You are so CALLOW and will NEVER say how any person can be saved under the Gospel of CALVINISM , you must be ASHAMED , is what I see !!
Hi Nanja , why not help B7 OUT , IF you can ??
dan p
beloved57
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I guess you dont, figures !
Hi b7 , cat got your TONGUE ?? But glad you are here , BUT never say where the GOSPEL OF CALVINISM is found , HUHHHHHHHHHHH ??
All you show is your ability to be a SNOLLYGOSTER and a PAWKY !!
dan p
beloved57
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We know the fall was necessary by the simple fact it occurred in Gods World He created, and all things and events that happens in His world are under His Control and management ! Dan 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? 794
In the fall adam did only according to Gods will !
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? 794
In the fall adam did only according to Gods will !
Nanja
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Precisely ! As God does everything, or what all is being done, according to His own Divine Will Dan. 4:35, or what He has determined to do in His own Mind Job 23:13-14; it is obvious then that Adam's disobedience to God's command to not eat of the tree Gen. 2:17, was exactly as God so Desired. Yes, God meant Adam's evil disobedience for good according to His Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph. 3:11.
beloved57
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The Fall was necessary in order to bring the chosen ones to faith, trust in Christ, which was the working of God of all things after the counsel of His own will Eph 1:11-13
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ[for Salvation].
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ[for Salvation].
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,