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  • Originally posted by Child of God View Post

    No I am not confused.

    Paul is talking about the God of the Hebrews in,

    Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

    Paul is saying the Hebrews have been FREED from their commitment to God, by God's death, and that the Hebrews are free to marry another, even Paul's doctrine.

    The Jews/Hebrews did not well receive Paul or his doctrine.

    Yet the Apostles made new Converts from among Jews Daily.
    No, the person who wants to belong to God has to go through Jesus and die.

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    • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

      No, the person who wants to belong to God has to go through Jesus and die.
      You are so wrong.

      Jesus Brings LIFE, an LIFE more abundantly.

      You have some doctrine you have to DIE to self, in order to Live for God.

      This is a false doctrine.

      Who ever taught you this Doctrine was adding things to confound you.

      All you have to do is is Fulfill the Greatest and Second Commandment.

      I Choose Yeshua as my Lawyer if I am wrong.





      How is it that YOU DIE by going through Jesus?

      Is there a ritual?
      DO you actual Die?

      Is it just Magic Words you say?

      You say the MAGIC WORDS, and POOF you have been reborn.
      Containing all the old prejudices of your before reborn life?

      NO you must actually CHANGE your life.

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      • Originally posted by Child of God View Post

        Not sharing my beliefs is different then DENYING what the Scriptures say.

        You can be a non Christian, that is your right.

        What is not you right is CLAIMING THE SCRIPTURES say something, that they do not say.

        You can not claim to be Christian and not follow the teachings of Christ, Well you can but you would be a liar.

        Which is the root of the PROBLEM.

        Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
        Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
        What you say is contradicted by relevant evidence.

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        • Originally posted by DAN P View Post

          Hi and read 2 Cor 3:16 and see how Jews are saved today !!

          dan p
          You need to consider more carefully.

          No one is saved any other way than how it has always been, and that is to believe and obey God, no matter what He says.

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          • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

            What you say is contradicted by relevant evidence.
            Yet you disagree with my last two post, and provide no Scripture to prove me wrong.

            Your OPINION is noted, there is and old saying about opinions, everyone has them and the not noted , and they both stink.

            Please use SCRIPTURE to disprove what I am Saying.

            Not just your OPINION.

            Are you now claiming that the Scriptures CONTRADICT the RELEVANT EVIDENCE?

            Jesus, Raised someone from the Dead?

            This is DISPROVED by the Relevant Evidence. This is your claim?

            You go deeper as you cling to Paul.

            REPENT, let go of the anchor that is taking you to Hell.
            Swim Upwards Towards the Light.

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            • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

              What you say is contradicted by relevant evidence.
              So you REJECT the Miracles of the Bible, as they can not be supported by the the relevant evidence? Correct?

              I just figured we should get this out in the open.

              YOU REJECT the Miracles of the Bible as they can not be Supported by your Relevant Evidence?

              CORRECT?

              It kind of sounds Atheist. PROVE GOD DID THIS.

              You REJECT those things in the Bible that can not be PROVEN according to your parameters.


              THAT IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
              Last edited by Child of God; December 9, 2019, 06:36 PM.

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              • Repent.

                You believe in God, believe also in me.

                Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

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                • Originally posted by Child of God View Post

                  You are so wrong.

                  Jesus Brings LIFE, an LIFE more abundantly.

                  You have some doctrine you have to DIE to self, in order to Live for God.

                  This is a false doctrine.

                  Who ever taught you this Doctrine was adding things to confound you.

                  All you have to do is is Fulfill the Greatest and Second Commandment.

                  I Choose Yeshua as my Lawyer if I am wrong.





                  How is it that YOU DIE by going through Jesus?

                  Is there a ritual?
                  DO you actual Die?

                  Is it just Magic Words you say?

                  You say the MAGIC WORDS, and POOF you have been reborn.
                  Containing all the old prejudices of your before reborn life?

                  NO you must actually CHANGE your life.
                  We die to the sins of the world with Christ on the cross, and then we raise up to a new life as a new creation as we live to please the Lord.

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                  • Originally posted by Child of God View Post


                    How is it that YOU DIE by going through Jesus?

                    Is there a ritual?
                    DO you actual Die?

                    Is it just Magic Words you say?

                    You say the MAGIC WORDS, and POOF you have been reborn.
                    Containing all the old prejudices of your before reborn life?

                    NO you must actually CHANGE your life.
                    You do it by repenting of your sins and promising to die to the sins of the world and live for Jesus.


                    Romans 6:2 By no means! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?

                    Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin.

                    Romans 6: 11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

                    Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

                    Galatians 5:16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

                    Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave

                    Colossians 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations:

                    Colossians 3:3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

                    1 Peter 2:24 He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. "By His stripes you are healed."

                    Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

                    Acts 3:19 Therefore repent and turn back so that your sins may be wiped out,

                    1 Thessalonians 4:1 As for other matters, brothers and sisters, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more.

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                    • Originally posted by Child of God View Post

                      Yet you disagree with my last two post, and provide no Scripture to prove me wrong.

                      Your OPINION is noted, there is and old saying about opinions, everyone has them and the not noted , and they both stink.

                      Please use SCRIPTURE to disprove what I am Saying.

                      Not just your OPINION.

                      Are you now claiming that the Scriptures CONTRADICT the RELEVANT EVIDENCE?

                      Jesus, Raised someone from the Dead?

                      This is DISPROVED by the Relevant Evidence. This is your claim?

                      You go deeper as you cling to Paul.

                      REPENT, let go of the anchor that is taking you to Hell.
                      Swim Upwards Towards the Light.
                      You speak strangely. You say Jesus didn't raise anyone from the dead? This is disproved? It is my claim? You aren't supposed to just make up things about others.

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                      • Originally posted by Child of God View Post

                        So you REJECT the Miracles of the Bible, as they can not be supported by the the relevant evidence? Correct?

                        I just figured we should get this out in the open.

                        YOU REJECT the Miracles of the Bible as they can not be Supported by your Relevant Evidence?

                        CORRECT?

                        It kind of sounds Atheist. PROVE GOD DID THIS.

                        You REJECT those things in the Bible that can not be PROVEN according to your parameters.


                        THAT IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
                        Show the post where such things are said. You are dishonest.

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                        • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
                          The New Covenant includes Gentile Christians by grafting them into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, John 10:16).
                          Behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
                          Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith YHWH:
                          But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.

                          Jeremiah 31:31-33

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                          • Originally posted by DougE View Post
                            Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

                            The mystery of the gospel was revealed first to Paul.

                            Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

                            16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

                            Paul and the twelve Apostles preached Christ. Paul preached Christ according to the mystery and the scriptures of the prophets. The twelve did not preach Christ according to the mystery.
                            I agree thoroughly that the message of the Apostles is not complete or at least not fully explained until one comes to the teachings of Paul (to the degree that God 'fully' explains anything to mere mortals, especially in this life!) I also believe that the Word of God in the Gospels and Paul's Epistles cannot be conflict...though obviously there are differences in audience, emphasis, etc. And I believe that there is a correct understanding which is the final Truth. By the time we get to Paul, I don't see any difference in terms of what a Jew or a Gentile from anywhere on earth needs to do in order to be saved...listen to the Word, repent, call on the name of Jesus, believe in one's heart that Jesus rose from the dead and is Lord, which, if one really believes it, leads towards a holy life and kindness to others. (Correct me if if I have the order wrong, and, yes, it seems there must be a baptism of some sort in there somewhere). If some of my statements are too obvious, I am only trying to establish common ground before I really dig into what you are saying in this thread about definitions of God's Kingdom, prophecies and future events (Initially, these strike me as unessential and perhaps overly divisive, though I am open to listening, while calling upon God to guard me and lead me to Truth.)

                            Until a short time ago, so much of much of Paul's message was unfortunately not brought to my attention despite being a professed Christian for years. Thanks be to God for bringing it to my attention and leading to me to read His Word with less preconceived notions in my prideful head. Certainly a Christian is a person who loves the Word of God, whether it is found in the teachings of Jesus or of Paul. And of course it is all Jesus, because He is the word of God. Am I correct in my phrasing and understanding there?

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                            • Originally posted by thborn View Post
                              By the time we get to Paul, I don't see any difference in terms of what a Jew or a Gentile from anywhere on earth needs to do in order to be saved...listen to the Word, repent, call on the name of Jesus, believe in one's heart that Jesus rose from the dead and is Lord, which, if one really believes it, leads towards a holy life and kindness to others.
                              One of the teachings from the sermon of the mount was of perfection, which in the context of repentance involves an complete understanding of the law.
                              The sign of Jonah that alludes to a resurrection of sorts isn't consistent with the historical timeline, i.e. three days and nights is not one day and two nights.

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                              • Originally posted by Theo102 View Post
                                One of the teachings from the sermon of the mount was of perfection, which in the context of repentance involves an complete understanding of the law.
                                I'm not sure where you're going with this, but please explain more. Do you mean that Matthew 5:48 "Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect" does not agree with what I wrote above? Every Christian probably finds the sermon on the mount beautiful and challenging, too. The blood of Christ washes away all the sins of all those who prove to be among God's elect. Christ's work here is perfect, is it not? So at the time when God's grace is poured out on a sinner and they truly turn to Christ, there is a sort of perfection. I would say this perfection also encompasses the future spiritual growth of that believer as (s)he grows in faith, remains in Christ, and practices works of kindness...since I think that shows who is truly among God's children.

                                1 Thessalonians 3:13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones. Ephesians 1:4: For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.

                                Do you have another way of relating the concept of perfection to the Scripture that comes after the sermon on the mount?

                                Originally posted by Theo102 View Post
                                The sign of Jonah that alludes to a resurrection of sorts isn't consistent with the historical timeline, i.e. three days and nights is not one day and two nights.
                                I am not greatly familiar with comparisons of Jonah's experience with the death and Resurrection of Jesus. Someone with greater learning than I will have to comment here.

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