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  • #61
    Disregard.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Bee1 View Post
      What Bible facts?
      The facts are these: not one single historic, scientific or any other type of fact stated in The Holy Scriptures has ever been proven to be in error. No other document in antiquity can claim that.
      "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

      If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bee1 View Post
        ... you have no evidence that a large group of men, women,children and livestock lived in the desert for 40 years.
        we have a written eyewitness account

        I made a comment about no graves being found and someone answered that the Israelites carried their dead for 40 years
        that was me

        ... but you answered the question for us. Those that spoke ill of God died, "their bodies laid waste". So why haven't some of these (at of least 2 million people not including livestock) bodies be found?
        do you think they'd honor those who were laid waste by God with a proper burial?

        what do you think "laid waste" means?



        let's say that you were really interested in finding evidence of the exodus (and not just trolling on the internet)

        where would you look?
        the sinai peninsula is 23,166 square miles

        what would you look for?
        from 3400 +/- years ago, what would you expect to find from a nomadic people traversing the desert, living in tents?


        how would you look for it?
        satellite imagery? random excavations? metal detector sweeps?


        how would you know you'd found it?
        do you expect to find evidence of human presence with a tag attached that says "property of the jews who left egypt in 1446 BC"?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by ok doser View Post
          we have a written eyewitness account



          that was me



          do you think they'd honor those who were laid waste by God with a proper burial?

          what do you think "laid waste" means?



          let's say that you were really interested in finding evidence of the exodus (and not just trolling on the internet)

          where would you look?
          the sinai peninsula is 23,166 square miles

          what would you look for?
          from 3400 +/- years ago, what would you expect to find from a nomadic people traversing the desert, living in tents?


          how would you look for it?
          satellite imagery? random excavations? metal detector sweeps?


          how would you know you'd found it?
          do you expect to find evidence of human presence with a tag attached that says "property of the jews who left egypt in 1446 BC"?
          How am I trolling on the internet when I use the very same info you posted?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Bee1 View Post
            How am I trolling on the internet when I use the very same info you posted?


            if you were really interested in finding evidence of the exodus (and not just trolling on the internet)

            where would you look?
            the sinai peninsula is 23,166 square miles

            what would you look for?
            from 3400 +/- years ago, what would you expect to find from a nomadic people traversing the desert, living in tents?


            how would you look for it?
            satellite imagery? random excavations? metal detector sweeps?


            how would you know you'd found it?
            do you expect to find evidence of human presence with a tag attached that says "property of the jews who left egypt in 1446 BC"?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Bee1 View Post
              How am I trolling on the internet when I use the very same info you posted?

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              Originally posted by ok doser View Post
              we have a written eyewitness account



              that was me



              do you think they'd honor those who were laid waste by God with a proper burial?

              what do you think "laid waste" means?



              let's say that you were really interested in finding evidence of the exodus (and not just trolling on the internet)

              where would you look?
              the sinai peninsula is 23,166 square miles

              what would you look for?
              from 3400 +/- years ago, what would you expect to find from a nomadic people traversing the desert, living in tents?


              how would you look for it?
              satellite imagery? random excavations? metal detector sweeps?


              how would you know you'd found it?
              do you expect to find evidence of human presence with a tag attached that says "property of the jews who left egypt in 1446 BC"?
              How am I trolling on the internet when I use the very same info you posted?
              And now you want to use science fact when you your self don't use it. 2 million plus humans did not or could not traverse a peninsula a not leave a single trace behind. The desert preserved like no other enviro, dead sea scrolls, pyramids, dinosaur bones and what not. Not one shard of pottery or shrine or camps without porks bones and other traits that separates Israelites from other Semitic people who lived in the area. We have these finds in other Israelites dwelling, for one, city of Avaris in Eygpt, some say a leper's colony but Israelites lived there.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Bee1 View Post
                And now you want to use science fact...
                nope, not using "science fact"

                just asking questions - four of them


                if you were really interested in finding evidence of the exodus (and not just trolling on the internet)

                1. where would you look?
                the sinai peninsula is 23,166 square miles

                2. what would you look for?
                from 3400 +/- years ago, what would you expect to find from a nomadic people traversing the desert, living in tents?


                3. how would you look for it?
                satellite imagery? random excavations? metal detector sweeps?


                4. how would you know you'd found it?
                do you expect to find evidence of human presence with a tag attached that says "property of the jews who left egypt in 1446 BC"?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  nope, not using "science fact"

                  just asking questions - four of them

                  if you were really interested in finding evidence of the exodus (and not just trolling on the internet)

                  1. where would you look?
                  the sinai peninsula is 23,166 square miles

                  2. what would you look for?
                  from 3400 +/- years ago, what would you expect to find from a nomadic people traversing the desert, living in tents?

                  3. how would you look for it?
                  satellite imagery? random excavations? metal detector sweeps?

                  4. how would you know you'd found it?
                  do you expect to find evidence of human presence with a tag attached that says "property of the jews who left egypt in 1446 BC"?
                  Just to add... deserts are well known for hiding any signs of human presence, especially from over 3000 years ago.
                  All of my ancestors are human.
                  Originally posted by Squeaky
                  That explains why your an idiot.
                  Originally posted by God's Truth
                  Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                  Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                  (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                  1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                  (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                  Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                    I'll reply to the above later.

                    I want to focus on this for a second.


                    It says quite a bit about him.
                    No, not really. Christian interpretation finds Satan in texts that he doesn't really exist in.
                    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                    ...

                    Because the passages were written by two different men.
                    OK
                    ----
                    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                    Back to the question I asked and the answer you gave.

                    Me: Did God create Satan?
                    You: [tentative "yes"]

                    Next question: Did God create the universe and it's physical laws?
                    Yes.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by chair View Post
                      No, not really. Christian interpretation finds Satan in texts that he doesn't really exist in.
                      Rather, plain reading shows him in several locations in the Bible.

                      OK
                      ----

                      Yes.
                      Third question: did God create man? (according to the Bible)

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                        Rather, plain reading shows him in several locations in the Bible.



                        Third question: did God create man? (according to the Bible)
                        Plain reading shows him in Job and a few other places. Not in Genesis, nor in Ezekiel 28.

                        Yes, God created man. I wish you'd get to the point, rather than play with these leading questions.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by chair View Post
                          Plain reading shows him in Job and a few other places. Not in Genesis, nor in Ezekiel 28.
                          Oh? Who was it that deceived Eve, if it wasn't "that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him?"

                          Yes, God created man. I wish you'd get to the point, rather than play with these leading questions.
                          I figured three examples would be better than two. Thank you for being patient.

                          So, since God made Satan (and the angels, for that matter), the universe and its laws, and men:

                          Can God use His creation to bring about a desired outcome, through either direct or indirect means, or even through the disobedience (when it comes to men and angels) of His created beings?

                          For example, could God use Cain's murder of his brother, Abel, to teach the world that laws (and by necessity appropriate punishments for breaking them) against murder and other crimes are necessary? Could God use natural forces, such as a global flood, to wipe out all of humanity, yet even the properties of certain materials and substances to save an entire family from His wrath? Could God use Satan, as wicked as he is, to accomplish something?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                            Oh? Who was it that deceived Eve, if it wasn't "that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him?"



                            I figured three examples would be better than two. Thank you for being patient.

                            So, since God made Satan (and the angels, for that matter), the universe and its laws, and men:

                            Can God use His creation to bring about a desired outcome, through either direct or indirect means, or even through the disobedience (when it comes to men and angels) of His created beings?

                            For example, could God use Cain's murder of his brother, Abel, to teach the world that laws (and by necessity appropriate punishments for breaking them) against murder and other crimes are necessary? Could God use natural forces, such as a global flood, to wipe out all of humanity, yet even the properties of certain materials and substances to save an entire family from His wrath? Could God use Satan, as wicked as he is, to accomplish something?
                            It was obvious that you were leading up to this. In a way, God is the cause of everything, but the Bible doesn't report it that way. You are projecting your modern philosophical view of God and the world on a text that doesn't speak that way. When God intervenes, we are told so clearly. If you can give me another dozen examples where "God" and "Satan" are used interchangeably, then I'll reconsider your opinion here. Even a few would do the trick.

                            Now, what about the 2 and 7 birds?

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Bee1 View Post
                              ... camps without porks bones ...

                              have you ever read exodus?

                              read exodus

                              then tell me what the israelites ate for forty years

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                              • #75
                                Here's another curious one: Who killed Goliath?

                                1 Samuel 17 50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.

                                2 SAMUEL 21:19 And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob; and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Beth-lehemite slew Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

                                watch out for the translations in 2 Samuel. The KJV makes it out to be the brother of Goliath, but the Hebrew text doesn't say that. They got the idea from Chronicles, whose author was probbaly trying to reconcile the two different stories.
                                1 Chronicles 20:5
                                And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.

                                There's something else odd about the story of Goliath in Samuel 1. But one step at a time.

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