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  • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
    The short version...


    The Word (Logos) of God = The Second Person of The Trinity

    The Word (Rhema) of God = The Third Person of The Trinity




    We are directly told, in Eph 6, who The Word (rhema) of God is, as thus…

    Eph 6.17

    Also, take "the helmet of salvation," and ‘The Sword of The Spirit’ which is (the) Word (rhema) of God; (Isa. 59:17 LXX-Isa. 11:4; MT-Isa. 49:2; LXX and MT-Hos. 6:5)

    Clearly, even in this one NT passage, we can see that The Word (rhema) of God is declared to be, in no uncertain terms, The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of The Trinity.
    We are told in Eph 6:17 THAT the word (rhema) of God is God's spirit..... and that the believer is to use God's words (rhema) as our sword.

    John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words (rhema): ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words (rhema) that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words (rhema) which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

    2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words (rhema) which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

    Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words (rhema) which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
    Last edited by Dartman; March 16th, 2019, 09:32 AM.

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    • Originally posted by TrevorL View Post
      Greetings again Apple7, Your response seems to be obscure as there does not seem to be a strong link between the two passages. Perhaps you could elucidate.

      Luke 1:15–17 (KJV): 15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias , to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
      Luke 1:15-17 states that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb, and thus I suggest that when it says that “the word of God came unto John in the wilderness” “in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar” it is not speaking of the appearance of the so-called God the Holy Spirit, the 3rd Person of the Trinity as you claim.



      Kind regards
      Trevor

      If only you could actually address what you, yourself, underline and directly quote.

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      • Originally posted by Dartman View Post
        We are told in Eph 6:17 THAT the word (rhema) of God is God's spirit.....
        God's Spirit?

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        • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
          God's Spirit?
          1 Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His spirit: for the spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

          Eph 3:14-21 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
          16 That He would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by His spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 Unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

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          • Originally posted by Dartman View Post
            1 Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His spirit: for the spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
            The Spirit is arthrous in your example, and pertains to The Holy Spirit, The Third Person of The Trinity.

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            • Originally posted by Dartman View Post

              Eph 3:14-21 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named
              16 That He would grant you, according to the riches of his glory (SON), to be strengthened with might by His spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 Unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

              Again, The Spirit is arthrous, and refers to The Third Person of The Trinity.

              Further, you just proved The Trinity in this passage which mentions Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!

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              • Greetings again Apple7,
                Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                If only you could actually address what you, yourself, underline and directly quote.
                But the following does not support what you have been saying about the Word of God being the 3rd Person of the Trinity:
                Luke 1:15–17 (KJV): 15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
                This simply says that John the Baptist would fulfil the same role as Elijah in turning the hearts of the fathers to the children. He would have the same teaching “spirit” and be effective “power”.

                Kind regards
                Trevor

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                • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                  The Spirit is arthrous in your example, and pertains to The Holy Spirit, The Third Person of The Trinity.
                  Your opinion is incorrect. The context clearly shows the spirit being possessed by God.

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                  • Originally posted by Dartman View Post
                    Your opinion is incorrect. The context clearly shows the spirit being possessed by God.
                    Then that makes Jesus, God.

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                    • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                      Again, The Spirit is arthrous, and refers to The Third Person of The Trinity.
                      Your opinion is STILL incorrect.
                      Originally posted by A7
                      Further, you just proved The Trinity in this passage which mentions Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!
                      I'm not surprised you would desperately grasp for even the most LUDICROUS proof texts..... since there isn't a single text that actually states your premise.
                      Nor is there a single Biblical example of your "Jesus" being preached.

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                      • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                        Then that makes Jesus, God.
                        No, that makes the spirit something God possesses.

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                        • Originally posted by TrevorL View Post
                          Greetings again Apple7, But the following does not support what you have been saying about the Word of God being the 3rd Person of the Trinity:
                          Luke 1:15–17 (KJV): 15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
                          This simply says that John the Baptist would fulfil the same role as Elijah in turning the hearts of the fathers to the children. He would have the same teaching “spirit” and be effective “power”.

                          Kind regards
                          Trevor
                          What's the 'Spirit and Power' of Elijah, Trev?

                          Don't be so afraid to look it up in the OT...after all, its in YOUR quote!

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                          • Originally posted by Dartman View Post
                            Your opinion is STILL incorrect.
                            I'm not surprised you would desperately grasp for even the most LUDICROUS proof texts..... since there isn't a single text that actually states your premise.
                            Nor is there a single Biblical example of your "Jesus" being preached.
                            Lashing-out in hatred won't convince anyone.

                            Put your anger into defending YOUR scriptural examples.

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                            • Dear Unitarians, Arians, Sabellians, Adoptionists, and other heterodox and/or heretical anti-Trinity proponents:

                              The Trinity doctrine is an immutable and non-negotiable doctrine of the authentic ancient historical apostolic and catholic orthodox Christan faith. The Cappadocians, in particular, brought explicit clarity to the Trinity, and dealt with every argument of concern in the 4th century leading into the 381AD Ecumenical Council in Constantinople.

                              There is nothing new being argued or presented here by opponents to the Trinity doctrine. This forum does not suffice as a means of rehashing the unrehashable. The Trinity doctrine stands as the only valid Christian doctrine for Theology Proper, and most who reject it have no idea what it actually is and means with any depth of exegetical or lexical comprehension.
                              Ecclesia reformata et semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei
                              “The Church reformed and always reforming, according to the Word of God.”

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                              • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                                Lashing-out in hatred won't convince anyone.

                                Put your anger into defending YOUR scriptural examples.
                                LOL .... making ludicrous assumptions seems to be a specialty of yours.

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