1 Thessalonians 4:17 Is Caught Up the same as Raptured?

[Jacob]

The word rapture is not here.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 NASB - 13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

from verse 17 we see a Greek word.

will be caught up

PHRASE
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ἁρπάζω
harpazō

 

[Jacob]

Is there a difference between when someone talks about being raptured and the rapture?

 

[Jacob]

I am an ex-Dispensationalist, so I don't believe in that rapture.

 

[Jacob]

Is this talking about the same event?

1 Corinthians 15:51-58 NASB - 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55 "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?" 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not [in] vain in the Lord.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The word "rapture" comes from the Latin Translation of the Greek word translated "caught up" in the following verse:

"After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever" (1 Thess.4:17).​

"deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cuv illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cuv Domino erimus" (1 Thess.4:17; Latin Vulgate).​

The following verse speaks of the same event when living saints will be "caught up" to meet the Lord Jesus in the air:

"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body" (Phil.3:20-21).​

 

[steko]

I am an ex-Dispensationalist, so I don't believe in that rapture.

It's not necessary to call oneself a Dispensationalist in order to believe what Scripture says.

 

[Jacob]

The word "rapture" comes from the Latin Translation of the Greek word translated "caught up" in the following verse:

"After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever" (1 Thess.4:17).​

"deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cuv illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cuv Domino erimus" (1 Thess.4:17; Latin Vulgate).​

The following verse speaks of the same event when living saints will be "caught up" to meet the Lord Jesus in the air:

"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body" (Phil.3:20-21).​

What about the Greek word in the OP?

 

[Jacob]

It's not necessary to call oneself a Dispensationalist in order to believe what Scripture says.

Amen.

 

[steko]

What about the Greek word in the OP?

'Harpazo' means to 'catch away(up), snatch,pluck, pull, take (by force),etc.

caught, 5
Act_8:39, 2Co_12:2, 2Co_12:4, 1Th_4:17, Rev_12:5
force, 3
Mat_11:12, Joh_6:15, Act_23:10
take, 3
Mat_11:12, Joh_6:15, Act_23:10
away, 2
Mat_13:19, Act_8:39
catcheth, 2
Mat_13:19, Joh_10:12

 

[Jacob]

'Harpazo' means to 'catch away(up), snatch,pluck, pull, take (by force),etc.

caught, 5
Act_8:39, 2Co_12:2, 2Co_12:4, 1Th_4:17, Rev_12:5
force, 3
Mat_11:12, Joh_6:15, Act_23:10
take, 3
Mat_11:12, Joh_6:15, Act_23:10
away, 2
Mat_13:19, Act_8:39
catcheth, 2
Mat_13:19, Joh_10:12

The word presented by the poster is different. Why?

 

[steko]

The word presented by the poster is different. Why?

'Harpazo' is Greek and translated into English as 'caught up'.

'Rapiermu' is Latin and translated into English as 'rapture'.

The phrase 'caught up', and the words 'rapiermu' and 'harpazo' and 'rapture', all four mean the same thing.

It means that whether physically dead or alive, the Lord Jesus is going to descend from heaven and 'snatch/rapture' the Body of Christ to Himself in the atmosphere.

 

[Jacob]

'Harpazo' is Greek and translated into English as 'caught up'.

'Rapiermu' is Latin and translated into English as 'rapture'.

The phrase 'caught up', and the words 'rapiermu' and 'harpazo' and 'rapture', all four mean the same thing.

It means that whether physically dead or alive, the Lord Jesus is going to descend from heaven and 'snatch/rapture' the Body of Christ to Himself in the atmosphere.

Apparently just after the resurrection. Is this the resurrection of all living? edit of all who have ever lived and died?

 

[steko]

Apparently just after the resurrection. Is this the resurrection of all living? edit of all who have ever lived and died?

In 1Th 4:17 Paul was speaking of a future event writing 20 years after Christ's resurrection.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


No, he's is speaking of the resurrection of those which belong to the Body of Christ, which information was revealed by Christ directly to Paul as the revelation of a mystery, something hidden beforehand.

 

[Jacob]

In 1Th 4:17 Paul was speaking of a future event writing 20 years after Christ's resurrection.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


No, he's is speaking of the resurrection of those which belong to the Body of Christ, which information was revealed by Christ directly to Paul as the revelation of a mystery, something hidden beforehand.

What about the assertion that there is just one resurrection?

 

[steko]

What about the assertion that there is just one resurrection?

Context.

 

[Jacob]

Context.

I need help with the question.

 

[glorydaz]

I am an ex-Dispensationalist, so I don't believe in that rapture.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

 

[Jacob]

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Great. I grew up in a church that taught dispensationalism. I can discuss any of this with you.

 

[Danoh]

I am an ex-Dispensationalist, so I don't believe in that rapture.

So far, you have proven on this thread that you were "a Dispensationalist" who did not even understand why Dispensationalism believes the Harpazo, which they refer to as the Rapture.

You have proven that you left "Dispensationalism" not even clear on one of its most basic doctrines - The Rapture.

People like you then go around talking about how that they were once Dispensationalists - a system of Bible study they had not even understood one of the most basic doctrines of - in your case, The Rapture.

Isaiah 8: 20

 

[Jacob]

So far, you have proven on this thread that you were a Dispensationalism who did not even understand why Dispensationalism believes the harpazo, which they refer to as the Rapture.

You have proven that you left Dispensationalism not even clear on one of its most basic doctrines - The Rapture.

People like you then go around talking about how that they were once Dispensationalists - a system of Bible study they had not even understood one of the most basic doctrines of - in your case, The Rapture.

Isaiah 8: 20

Fair enough. Israel is back in the land and the age of the Gentiles may be coming to a close, about twenty years ago. And there may be a Millenial Reign of Christ on Earth. Jews may rule and reign with Christ, while Gentile believers may be caught up in the rapture. Just some teachings that may be incorrect. As for the rapture and heaven and earth and hell people go to heaven when they die but not their body which will be resurrected and reunited with the spirit or self who that went to heaven upon death. But if we read the words of Scripture we can just accept them.