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    Jesus did not preach or teach that God loves everyone. Jn3:16 is perverted by all who use it to pronounce God loves everyone.

  • #2
    Originally posted by BoyStan View Post
    Jesus did not preach or teach that God loves everyone. Jn3:16 is perverted by all who use it to pronounce God loves everyone.



    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.



    seems pretty obvious that God isn't all that fond of those who don't believe in His only begotten Son

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    • #3
      Jesus taught us to love everyone, especially those who hate and despise us.

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      • #4
        that's different

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ok doser View Post
          For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.



          seems pretty obvious that God isn't all that fond of those who don't believe in His only begotten Son
          What you say is true. God isn't fond in the least of all who do not believe in His Son. God does not love those who will be consigned to hell. God has never loved them and to suggest He does or did at some time is blasphemous

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bradley D View Post
            Jesus taught us to love everyone, especially those who hate and despise us.

            You have not understood the point I am making about God's so called universal love.
            The new commandment is to the saints,'love one another as I have loved you'.
            The emphasis is on on God's love in the community of the saints!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ok doser View Post
              that's different
              Yes, God's truth according to His Word is very different to the popular theology of the church and its preachers and congregants.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BoyStan View Post
                What you say is true. God isn't fond in the least of all who do not believe in His Son. God does not love those who will be consigned to hell. God has never loved them and to suggest He does or did at some time is blasphemous
                No human is currently consigned to hell. We have not yet judged the world.

                The Most High judges no humans. He has deferred judgment to the Son.

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                • #9
                  Humans will be consigned to hell; conscious eternal punishment. The Son and the father's judgement are in full agreement.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bradley D View Post
                    Jesus taught us to love everyone, especially those who hate and despise us.
                    Paul also said that the love Christ has for His church is expressed in the bonds of marriage (Ephesians 4:28-32). If we say that Christ's love is universal, then we must force Paul to say that the love Christ has for the church is identical to the love He has for every unsaved individual. And since Paul also says that believers shouldn't be marrying unbelievers, then it should be obvious that the love God has for believers is NOT the same as the love God has for everyone generally. Otherwise, we would be justified in reasoning that the believer should be able to marry just anyone of the opposite sex (believer or unbeliever...someone close to them or someone not close to them) since they are to have the same love for every individual.
                    If God promises life, He slayeth first; when He builds, He casteth all down first. God is no patcher; He cannot build on another's foundation. - William Tyndale

                    The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
                    Jeremiah 17:9

                    Who is among you that feareth the Lord, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the Lord, and stay upon his God.
                    Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

                    Isaiah 50:10-11

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BoyStan View Post
                      Yes, God's truth according to His Word is very different to the popular theology of the church and its preachers and congregants.
                      Out of curiosity and clarification, what is the "popular theology of the church, its preachers and congregants?"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BoyStan View Post
                        Humans will be consigned to hell; conscious eternal punishment.
                        For what, we haven't judged them yet?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jamie View Post
                          No human is currently consigned to hell. We have not yet judged the world.

                          The Most High judges no humans. He has deferred judgment to the Son.
                          What, haven't you read John 3:18-19?

                          “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. - John 3:18-19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                            What, haven't you read John 3:18-19?

                            “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already
                            Condemned to what? Condemned by whom?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jamie View Post
                              Condemned to what?
                              To separation from God.

                              Condemned by whom?
                              By the Law of God.

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