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  • Originally posted by Zeke View Post
    That's right, all those sacrificial types and shadows where behavioral characteristic of mans lower nature Matt 9:4, Jude 1:10, that produced those fruits,
    No, good people obeyed the old law.

    Originally posted by Zeke View Post

    explained in parabolic oracles. The only sacrifices our Spiritual Father (who judges no man) excepts are spiritual, Psalms 51:17, 107:22, Romans 7:24, Hebrews 9:8-10, Romans 7:11,18-22, Gen 18:25, Gal 4:24. All riddles in patterns not to be exoterically read after you wake up 2Cor 3:6, Proverbs 1:6, Hebrews 6:1-5, 2Cor 5:16.
    A person is given understanding after they believe the scriptures and do what Jesus says.

    You go against the scriptures.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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    • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
      No, good people obeyed the old law.



      A person is given understanding after they believe the scriptures and do what Jesus says.

      You go against the scriptures.
      Well enjoy the duplicity of elemental darkness, Psalms 78:2, Adios.
      Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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      • Back to the more scriptural symbolism portrayed in duality about our two states of mentality, both states have a male/female component that have offspring/thoughts, portrayed in parabolic duplicity as history, a preordained struggle between our lower nature vs our higher nature Gal 4:21-28, the reason for the use of outward physical separation of gender is only a type of behavioral characteristic within everyone, carnal gender doesn't literally apply to our marriage/reconciliation within ourselves in God's temple where we are to take no thought which is the riddle in Paul's statements concerning female speech/silence in the church of God 1Cor 3:16, most still judge spiritual truth by appearance Gal 3:28.
        Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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        • Originally posted by Zeke View Post
          Well enjoy the duplicity of elemental darkness, Psalms 78:2, Adios.
          What is your point?
          Oh how I love the Word of God!

          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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          • Originally posted by Zeke View Post
            Back to the more scriptural symbolism portrayed in duality about our two states of mentality, both states have a male/female component that have offspring/thoughts, portrayed in parabolic duplicity as history, a preordained struggle between our lower nature vs our higher nature Gal 4:21-28, the reason for the use of outward physical separation of gender is only a type of behavioral characteristic within everyone, carnal gender doesn't literally apply to our marriage/reconciliation within ourselves in God's temple where we are to take no thought which is the riddle in Paul's statements concerning female speech/silence in the church of God 1Cor 3:16, most still judge spiritual truth by appearance Gal 3:28.
            Just because some one is loving does not make them more feminine. Just because there are some women who are stronger does not make them part male.

            God calls Himself 'Father' and He came as a Son.

            His angles are called 'Sons'.

            The first human He made was in His likeness and was made a male.

            The female was made for the human male.
            Oh how I love the Word of God!

            Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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            • Still conflating shadow with light, Gal 4:22, it is written hypothetical case law not historical, which is why its called symbolism Gal 4:24.

              Gal 3:28, in the spiritual temple (in your skull) court male and female do not apply literally, only outside in separation can you (Gal 4:1) judge by physical law that is done away with in the kingdom of light where no shadows are able to be cast in that surrounding light.

              Your still in bondage by trying to take the shadows where they can't go.
              Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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              • Respect for natural and spiritual law....is essential....

                Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                The Truth matters.
                Yes, yet 'truth' is relative within any given context so far as terms, meanings and their values are concerned. And it so happens that respect for and recognition of 'gender' in the nature of spirit, soul and creation is universal, and inherent to conditional existence as we know it, and experience it. Hence our honor of a 'Father-Mother-God', respecting the 'masculine' and 'feminine', is inherent to creation....and all 'creative interplay' in the cosmos.

                If you entertain the fact of having a 'father', you must entertain or acknowledge a 'mother' existing, as there can be no 'father' without a 'mother' within that relational context. The dual polarity of gender is intrinsic to creation, reflecting the character of the 'Creator' whose dual convergence of such engenders the worlds and their formation. This is why the ancients honored Wisdom (Sophia, Chokhmah) as being that feminine presence with God the Father from eternity, who inspires and brings forth the worlds into form, and this also relates in some ways to the Shekinah glory, the presence of God that hovers or broods over the waters and the sanctuary of God's dwelling, the abiding glory from which springs creation and redemption. Hence the honoring of both 'father' and 'mother' is essential for long life, since it is respect for the principles underlying creation, manifest existence.

                From a trinitarian model reference, we see a Father, Mother and Son, and this corresponds with the orthodox Christian formula, the 'mother' being the Holy Spirit. In this familial context, the representation is complete, since the Father-Mother God is the Parent of all spirits-souls, all creation, all things and beings. The primal 'Son' is the Firstborn, and all succeeding sons come under his headship in the collective sonship, representing the body of the Christ (the anointed community of adopted and regenerated sons).

                Again, 'truth' is relative. - unless you are assuming some 'absolute truth' or 'reality', which being 'absolute'....has no relative context really, since it is a reality wholly subsisting independent and free of all relations, wholly independent unto itself. In the most pure absolute sense, only DEITY itself, would qualify as 'absolute'. - all else, are relative truths, facts and correspondences in the realm of conditional existence.


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                • Creational truths shared......

                  Originally posted by God's Truth View Post

                  Just because some one is loving does not make them more feminine. Just because there are some women who are stronger does not make them part male.
                  We recognize masculine and feminine qualities in all souls, regardless of their physical form, although a body may be 'male' or 'female', there is variance of gender-identification and disposition in some, which accounts for same-sex attractions, bi-sexuality and transgenderism. (this is another subject in itself) - dont forget,.....all 'gender' originates in 'God'.

                  God calls Himself 'Father' and He came as a Son.
                  'God' is 'Father' of course only in the sense that he fathers all creation, fathers all souls, is the Father of all spirits, and so on. He is not limited to being a 'Father', since He is infinite, and transcends all space-time relations and dimensions. In fact, he is only a father in the space-time creation context! Before this, 'ehyeh asher ehyeh' just IS. Deity is that primal absolute reality that is the 'Be-ing' from which all 'Be-coming' derives, the origin of all creation. Before any relations or creation, Deity was not a 'father' or 'mother' - only in the expansion of creation of creating offspring, does 'God' become 'father', 'mother', 'son', etc.

                  His angles are called 'Sons'.
                  A matter of convention, to call 'God' or angels 'sons', since the masculine nuance is generally assumed first, unless a specifically feminine gender is indicated in a word. As we've noted earlier, 'God' expresses both 'male' and 'female' gender traits, and angels TOO may express such, being pure spirits,...they may embody or express different gender qualities or characteristics, unless you know of an absolute rule or law that such is impossible.

                  The first human He made was in His likeness and was made a male.

                  The female was made for the human male.

                  As a woman I'd think you'd appreciate and respect your own gender a bit better, but religious programming can distort things. Remember, God is above and beyond all definition, denomination, even gender,...but is their SOURCE. The male is conventionally first is the creative order, as the head with the female as the helpmate. The male is not better or higher than the female, and is only perfected or made complete thru union with the female! - this is why the female or feminine aspect of the soul is not only intrinsic to the soul of God/Man,....but essential as the wedding of the masculine and the feminine is the divine marriage that is the kingdom of God fully realized. The wife, bride and mother are extremely valued and cherished by the masculine aspect of Man/God...and there can be no creation or regeneration apart from HER. This is a relative truth, shared for its own sake. One can recognize and respect this, or reject it. I choose however to respect this

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                  • Originally posted by Zeke View Post
                    Still conflating shadow with light, Gal 4:22, it is written hypothetical case law not historical, which is why its called symbolism Gal 4:24.

                    Gal 3:28, in the spiritual temple (in your skull) court male and female do not apply literally, only outside in separation can you (Gal 4:1) judge by physical law that is done away with in the kingdom of light where no shadows are able to be cast in that surrounding light.

                    Your still in bondage by trying to take the shadows where they can't go.
                    The shadow was of Jesus. Jesus hadn't come yet. The Old Testament was still true.
                    Oh how I love the Word of God!

                    Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                    • Originally posted by freelight View Post
                      We recognize masculine and feminine qualities in all souls, regardless of their physical form, although a body may be 'male' or 'female', there is variance of gender-identification and disposition in some, which accounts for same-sex attractions, bi-sexuality and transgenderism. (this is another subject in itself) - dont forget,.....all 'gender' originates in 'God'.



                      'God' is 'Father' of course only in the sense that he fathers all creation, fathers all souls, is the Father of all spirits, and so on. He is not limited to being a 'Father', since He is infinite, and transcends all space-time relations and dimensions. In fact, he is only a father in the space-time creation context! Before this, 'ehyeh asher ehyeh' just IS. Deity is that primal absolute reality that is the 'Be-ing' from which all 'Be-coming' derives, the origin of all creation. Before any relations or creation, Deity was not a 'father' or 'mother' - only in the expansion of creation of creating offspring, does 'God' become 'father', 'mother', 'son', etc.



                      A matter of convention, to call 'God' or angels 'sons', since the masculine nuance is generally assumed first, unless a specifically feminine gender is indicated in a word. As we've noted earlier, 'God' expresses both 'male' and 'female' gender traits, and angels TOO may express such, being pure spirits,...they may embody or express different gender qualities or characteristics, unless you know of an absolute rule or law that such is impossible.




                      As a woman I'd think you'd appreciate and respect your own gender a bit better, but religious programming can distort things. Remember, God is above and beyond all definition, denomination, even gender,...but is their SOURCE. The male is conventionally first is the creative order, as the head with the female as the helpmate. The male is not better or higher than the female, and is only perfected or made complete thru union with the female! - this is why the female or feminine aspect of the soul is not only intrinsic to the soul of God/Man,....but essential as the wedding of the masculine and the feminine is the divine marriage that is the kingdom of God fully realized. The wife, bride and mother are extremely valued and cherished by the masculine aspect of Man/God...and there can be no creation or regeneration apart from HER. This is a relative truth, shared for its own sake. One can recognize and respect this, or reject it. I choose however to respect this

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                      I don't put down any gender. What you say is worthless and not in the Bible.
                      Oh how I love the Word of God!

                      Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                      • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                        The shadow was of Jesus. Jesus hadn't come yet. The Old Testament was still true.
                        Your stuck in the Traditional elementals of a ongoing story since the foundation of conscience awareness started recording its thoughts. The two opposites called male and female in the mind are extroverted in physical temples in a state of separation that can only reproduce when they come together, but both retain male and female aspects within their conscience played out in a physical father and heavenly, with two mothers, a bonds maid and free woman who give birth to flesh and spirit thoughts/seeds that become words/children siblings that fight for dominance Gal 5:17, making for tribulation in the family, Read Gal 4:20-28, a 100 times that spirit inverts the flesh extroverts because the spiritual version is foolishness to babes refusing to give up their pacifiers Hebrews 6:1-5, 2Cor 5:16.

                        That inverted revelation Gal 1:12, John 1:13, is the meat of scripture where everyone is reconciled with that family of words that curse or bless Romans 2:15, made flesh in parable and portrayals starting with one seed of thought, the Mother of all living words manifested in visible creation that man represents in micro scale of the macro conscience Godhead in body form being schooled in good and bad experiences, same source that can burn you, or warm you like anything can be used for good and bad, as Divine children we create good and evil in this temporal state of duplicity imaged in flesh and spirit, both have good and bad making four faces of our kingdom schooling in conscience, you have to experience them all from beginning to end, which is why we are told be careful with judgment because the law respects no persons, not even the kings sons escape its hard lessons of sowing and reaping Gal 4:1, afraid of the conditional god of bondage hiding the Father of non judgment within us over shadowed until we awake to truth and grace John 1:17.

                        That is the lesson being taught in scripture, Santa is fun to believe in as kids being literally alive, when its a lesson in giving that is an alive principle not only astronomical but also symbolism that takes place unseen in our body the kingdom of God Luke 17:20-21.
                        Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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                        • Originally posted by Zeke View Post
                          That is the lesson being taught in scripture, Santa is fun to believe in as kids being literally alive, when its a lesson in giving that is an alive principle not only astronomical but also symbolism that takes place unseen in our body the kingdom of God Luke 17:20-21.
                          Santa lives forever if you believe.

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                          • Originally posted by Eeset View Post
                            Santa lives forever if you believe.
                            Certainly, belief is powerful prankster we all use.
                            Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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                            • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                              I don't put down any gender. What you say is worthless and not in the Bible.
                              We'll let reader decide if my commentary on 'God and gender' have meaning, relevance and value in the context of our subject here

                              I find your 'interpretation' and 'capsulation' of what the Bible teaches rather limited and tightly circumscribed, while the the universal truths of nature, and her laws and principles that manifest in creation are apparent, and mirror the spiritual world, - "as above, so below". - therefore the truth of gender originating from 'God'... and 'Man' being an individualized expresssion of this 'God', are apparent in that 'Man' consists of 'male' and 'female'. The Bible does not contain the whole of truth, neither the totality or finality of truth, since the spirit of truth, is infinite, and not limited to any one book, let alone one religious cult or tradition. - the belief system of the thread starter is respected, in any case.

                              Now whether one chooses to believe the Holy Spirit is primarily a feminine personality or not, the fact of gender holds in nature, and is manifest thru-out creation. Creation mirrors the Creator, or creative Spirit, the power and presence that creates and upholds all. Man's very soul mirrors 'God' in image, likeness, and creative function. That includes BOTH genders. Both make up 'MAN'. The constitution of man, reflects 'God'.

                              You may reject these truths, and keep your own concepts, but a student of the logos, will continue to learn, expand and continue in progressive revelation. The reality of 'God' is revealed in existence itself, the laws, order, patterns and principle within Nature, and in the very soul of man. The Spirit alone is life. Hence respect for a 'Father-Mother-God' is natural, since God is both in relation to creation.


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                              • Originally posted by Eeset View Post
                                Santa lives forever if you believe.
                                Former commentary on 'God and gender' holds, respect granted - also the Holy Spirit of 'God' as 'Mother' is deeply appreciated and reverenced. The divine feminine can express in different ways, forms, qualities, attributes and personalities. "honor your father and mother so thy days will be long upon the earth". - again we look to the inner principle, qualities, concept and principle behind the words, to understand their deeper meaning, in every dimension concerned. Loving 'God' as both 'Father' and 'Mother' is spiritually sound, and truly 'natural'. Love includes the full and total marriage and synergy of 'masculine' and 'feminine'. 'God' is not a sexist.

                                We could take the 'Santa Claus' theory further, even apply it to 'Moses', 'Abraham' and even 'Jesus',..since no one can prove these persons existed beyond a literary record, tradition, legend and mythology, beyond what could be established as historical evidence, by whatever criteria. But we wont milk that one here, lest we upset too many apple carts


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