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    John 4:24
    God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

    Acts 20:29-30
    29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

    Romans 1:18
    The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

    Romans 1:25
    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie,
    and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    Romans 2:2
    Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth.

    Romans 2:8
    But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

    1 Corinthians 13:6
    Love does not delight in evil
    but rejoices with the truth.

    2 Corinthians 4:2
    Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

    Galatians 4:16
    Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?


    2 Timothy 2:15
    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

    2 Timothy 4:4
    They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.


    2 Peter 2:2
    Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

  • #2
    Joining Paganism to God is a sin.

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    • #3
      I see no comments.

      What things have been introduced since the original teachings?

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      • #4
        It is not a good sign for Christians to dodge these important questions.

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        • #5
          Pope Gregory and Paganism.
          The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary: “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.”
          Not only were the Congregations divided by Gnosticism, but enticed by philosophy and paganism also, and there were geographic divisions as well.
          Pope Gregory 540 – 12 March 604.

          What were the Pagan beliefs harmonized with Christianity? Maybe the answer can be found by comparing Orthodox Judaism to Paganism.

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          • #6
            The U.S. Navy made a decision that Messianic Jewish chaplains must wear as their insignia the Christian cross, and not the tablets of the law, the insignia of Jewish chaplains. According to Yeshiva World News, a website covering stories of Jewish interest, the Navy Uniform Board commanded that Michael Hiles, a candidate for chaplaincy, wear the Christian cross insignia. Hiles resigned from the program, rather than wear the cross. Rabbi Eric Tokajer, a spokesman for the Messianic Jewish movement, responded that "This decision essentially bars Messianic Jews from serving as chaplains within the U.S. Navy because it would require them to wear an insignia inconsistent with their faith and belief system."

            Christ died on a stake, not a cross. The cross is an ancient Pagan symbol.

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            • #7
              Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

              Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

              2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
              2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by iamaberean View Post
                Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

                Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

                2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
                2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
                I have been trying to get Christians to be aware that long ago Pagans took over Christianity.

                Jude

                1. Jude, a servant of Yahshua the Messiah, and brother of James, and to them that are sanctified by Yahwah the Father, also called and saved by Yahshua the Messiah.
                2. May mercy, peace, and devotion, be multiplied to you.
                3. Loved, I was eager to write to you about the salvation we share, it was necessary for me to write to you, and encourage you to earnestly contend for the faith that was given to the saints.
                4. Because you are unaware that certain men have sneaked in, who are of a ancient order to their condemnation,...

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                • #9
                  2 Tim 4:1-4

                  1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
                  2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
                  3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
                  4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
                  (NKJ)

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                  • #10
                    Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:

                    Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

                    Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

                    2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

                    2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

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                    • #11
                      Thank you for posting.

                      Everyone should be aware that things have been introduced into Christianity that do not belong.

                      What kind of Christian do you want to be? A Judaic Christian, or a Pagan Christian?

                      It was the Catholics who canonized the scriptures.

                      Pope Gregory and Paganism.
                      The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary: “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.”
                      Not only were the Congregations divided by Gnosticism, but enticed by philosophy and paganism also, and there were geographic divisions as well.
                      Pope Gregory 540 – 12 March 604.

                      What were the Pagan beliefs harmonized with Christianity? The answer can be found by comparing Orthodox Judaism to Paganism.

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                      • #12
                        Shake and Bake......

                        Originally posted by CherubRam View Post

                        Everyone should be aware that things have been introduced into Christianity that do not belong.

                        What kind of Christian do you want to be? A Judaic Christian, or a Pagan Christian?
                        Of course, Christianity has pagan DNA,......there is no religion that does not to some degree have some influence, correlaries or adaptations affecting their own belief-systems from contacting cultures, so that Judaism itself has been affected by the cultures and religions it has come into assocation with.

                        If you want to be a so called 'Judiac Christian', as contrasted to a more western traditionalized 'pagan christian' (RCC and her various protestant daughters), well....you'll likely be called a 'judaizer' by the modern pop christians, and take up some messianic form of 'judeo-christian' hybrid, which has so many varities,...some which reject Paul as a true apostle of Jesus, some which hold him with some suspicion, others who accept him, but this compromises certain aspects of one's loyalty to orthodox Judaism, so its a complicated matter,...one that the Jerusalem Council in the book of Acts did not fully resolve. So, you have the quandary of Paul to deal with, and just HOW MUCH you want to be a Jewish follower of Jesus, like his ORIGINAL apostles were, unlike Paul, who came preaching his own gospel. - thats just for starters.

                        It was the Catholics who canonized the scriptures.
                        Well,..any organized faith-tradition will end up 'canonizing' or compiling their religious writings, while some schools may adopt some that other schools reject, which has been the case within the judeo-christian traditions.

                        Pope Gregory and Paganism.
                        The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary: “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.”
                        Not only were the Congregations divided by Gnosticism, but enticed by philosophy and paganism also, and there were geographic divisions as well.
                        Pope Gregory 540 – 12 March 604.
                        It is the hallmark of true religious aspiration and practice to recognize those moral, ethical and spiritual principles which are universal, so there is nothing wrong with another school accepting these from other schools, in their various forms, even if 'christianized' to some degree or another. It may be that the universal precepts recognized in paganism pre-date those found in Christianity,...the latter just 'reformatting' or 'repackaging' the mythology, which allegorically illustrate the universal truths.

                        What were the Pagan beliefs harmonized with Christianity? The answer can be found by comparing Orthodox Judaism to Paganism.
                        Its a mixed bag, no matter what kind of 'shake and bake' powder you use to coat your drumsticks with

                        If you would really stick with Jesus and his original apostles, as the pillars of the Jerusalem Community, and the original teachings, you might become an orthodox Jew NOW, whatever that takes, with whatever innovations Jesus brought to his own branch of that, IF (notice IF) you can ascertain just what this all entails, and if you could know for sure how to practice the religion of Jesus, AS he practiced it, to truly BE his disciple, without adopting Paul's gospel, unless you believe he is a Torah observing faithful JEW, which his epistles outrightly contest, as his attitude towards the pillars was haughty and a bit adversarial, as he did so much to bolster his own 'gospel claims' and 'apostleship'.

                        Will you be a disciple of Jesus or Paul? Some have assumed a compromise of these two, others maintain a difference which has some import.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                          I see no comments.

                          What things have been introduced since the original teachings?
                          Teachings against masturbation, pornography, abortion, child abuse, have been introduced since the original biblical teachings.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by freelight View Post
                            Of course, Christianity has pagan DNA,......there is no religion that does not to some degree have some influence, correlaries or adaptations affecting their own belief-systems from contacting cultures, so that Judaism itself has been affected by the cultures and religions it has come into assocation with.

                            If you want to be a so called 'Judiac Christian', as contrasted to a more western traditionalized 'pagan christian' (RCC and her various protestant daughters), well....you'll likely be called a 'judaizer' by the modern pop christians, and take up some messianic form of 'judeo-christian' hybrid, which has so many varities,...some which reject Paul as a true apostle of Jesus, some which hold him with some suspicion, others who accept him, but this compromises certain aspects of one's loyalty to orthodox Judaism, so its a complicated matter,...one that the Jerusalem Council in the book of Acts did not fully resolve. So, you have the quandary of Paul to deal with, and just HOW MUCH you want to be a Jewish follower of Jesus, like his ORIGINAL apostles were, unlike Paul, who came preaching his own gospel. - thats just for starters.



                            Well,..any organized faith-tradition will end up 'canonizing' or compiling their religious writings, while some schools may adopt some that other schools reject, which has been the case within the judeo-christian traditions.



                            It is the hallmark of true religious aspiration and practice to recognize those moral, ethical and spiritual principles which are universal, so there is nothing wrong with another school accepting these from other schools, in their various forms, even if 'christianized' to some degree or another. It may be that the universal precepts recognized in paganism pre-date those found in Christianity,...the latter just 'reformatting' or 'repackaging' the mythology, which allegorically illustrate the universal truths.



                            Its a mixed bag, no matter what kind of 'shake and bake' powder you use to coat your drumsticks with

                            If you would really stick with Jesus and his original apostles, as the pillars of the Jerusalem Community, and the original teachings, you might become an orthodox Jew NOW, whatever that takes, with whatever innovations Jesus brought to his own branch of that, IF (notice IF) you can ascertain just what this all entails, and if you could know for sure how to practice the religion of Jesus, AS he practiced it, to truly BE his disciple, without adopting Paul's gospel, unless you believe he is a Torah observing faithful JEW, which his epistles outrightly contest, as his attitude towards the pillars was haughty and a bit adversarial, as he did so much to bolster his own 'gospel claims' and 'apostleship'.

                            Will you be a disciple of Jesus or Paul? Some have assumed a compromise of these two, others maintain a difference which has some import.
                            Originally posted by Nihilo View Post
                            Teachings against masturbation, pornography, abortion, child abuse, have been introduced since the original biblical teachings.
                            What changes have been made to the bible since the beginning? Christ and the disciples were combating Paganism and Gnosticism from the beginning. What has been added to the bible by the Catholics?

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                            • #15
                              The chrism of the Spirit......

                              Originally posted by CherubRam View Post

                              What changes have been made to the bible since the beginning? Christ and the disciples were combating Paganism and Gnosticism from the beginning. What has been added to the bible by the Catholics?
                              I already grant changes and editing done to both OT and NT texts, so a study of all textual traditions and extant manuscripts is of course essential here. Granted some differences in NT manuscripts exist, the consensus that evolved on the standard NT canon as we now still have it, seems to have been formed or accepted as a collection by the 4th or 5th century, with some books being more or less questionable, along with other apocryphal or intertestamental works. Since I reject the concept of biblical inerrancy, deeminh it 'unnecessary', changes in so called 'scripture' are merely incidental, since they simply reflect the religious-politics of the day, every scribe and its religious community serving their own 'agendas'.

                              I may differ in my opinion of pagan teaching and 'Gnosticism' since I see in some of these schools valid and significant contributions to the development of Christianity, but as far as specifics of what the RCC may have 'added' or what they may have 'taken out' is more difficult to posit, beyond the obvious general concensus eventually accepted, while books deemed of lesser inspiration or authority receded from the canon, or assumed an 'apocryphal' status.

                              A good primer on this might be Bart Ehrmans books or perhaps a more scolding treatment by Joseph Wheless, 'Forgery in Christianity'.

                              Concerning Gnosticism, we have a good many still extant works, the gospel of Thomas, the Nag Hammadi Library, and the Valentinian branch of Gnostic Christianity is pretty near as orthodox as you can get, with a gnostic twist,...but dont forget....the 'key of knowledge' is essential if one would open the door to the kingdom, if any but John's gospel shows, and which is somewhat gnostic in nature. ('God' is light, love, spirit, truth). - the kingdom is spiritual, and spiritually discerned.

                              Paul as well, if you deem any inspiration or usefulness in his teachings, was a 'gnostic' holding the vision and key to a 'hidden mystery' in Christ, and whose gospel is patterned after initiation processes also observed in other mystery religious cults. The process of the soul's regeneration and transformation is universal, archetyped thru the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of the 'god-man', who represents the man all are to become, as the perfected Adam, humanity taking on divinity, and divinity merging with humanity. The kingdom has always been that which is discovered 'within' the soul via spiritual recognition, regeneration and discernment so that it is first essentially a condition of spirit-communion.


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