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  • Originally posted by Eagles Wings View Post
    myob
    This is a public site. Did you forget where you were?

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    • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
      This is a public site. Did you forget where you were?
      myob
      Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

      1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

      2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
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      • Originally posted by Eagles Wings View Post
        myob
        I see you are feeling convicted. Good.

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        • Originally posted by Eagles Wings View Post
          Okay, this helps me understand what you meant in the initial post I questioned.

          We know Paul's affliction was not lifted.

          Many Christians suffer with life long afflictions such as MS, ALS, permanent ailings.

          I think of Joni Earekson-Tada.

          My Dad had MS for 20 years before dying of it's complications.

          We always pray that we may learn of Christ's purpose for trials, knowing it is for our good no matter how long it lasts. Knowing that He brings good to conform us to Himself.

          I say none of this lightly.
          Pauls afflictions were not meant to be lifted. "For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name".

          I try not to think of -Tada.

          Personal relations...no comment as commenting is impossible.

          At the first sign of affliction I want to know why and so I inquire and keep on enquiring until I get an answer. My enquiry is in regard to the affliction because I want to know what sin needs dealing with.

          6-7 years ago I was stricken with severe pain and to my utter shame I took little if any notice of why. Two months later I was stricken yet again, because of the same sin. I didn't bring forth sorrow for my sin nor did I attempt to turn from it. A month later I was hit yet again. This time I was granted repentance and delivered from the sin, never to return, Elohim willing.

          The fact of the matter is simple. The regenerate can fall into sin, but they can't remain in sin. If a person falls into sin and remains in sin and under continuous affliction I would question them as to the surety of their salvation.
          I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

          "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

          I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
          A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
          If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

          Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

          I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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          • Originally posted by Truster View Post
            Pauls afflictions were not meant to be lifted. "For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name".

            I try not to think of -Tada.

            Personal relations...no comment as commenting is impossible.

            At the first sign of affliction I want to know why and so I inquire and keep on enquiring until I get an answer. My enquiry is in regard to the affliction because I want to know what sin needs dealing with.

            6-7 years ago I was stricken with severe pain and to my utter shame I took little if any notice of why. Two months later I was stricken yet again, because of the same sin. I didn't bring forth sorrow for my sin nor did I attempt to turn from it. A month later I was hit yet again. This time I was granted repentance and delivered from the sin, never to return, Elohim willing.

            The fact of the matter is simple. The regenerate can fall into sin, but they can't remain in sin. If a person falls into sin and remains in sin and under continuous affliction I would question them as to the surety of their salvation.
            I struggle with what you're saying because of the danger of being overly scrupulous in routing out sin, for the purpose of being completely free of affliction. Or, as proof that one is living justly.

            Isn't this works?

            It reminds me of the three friends of Job.
            Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

            1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

            2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
            .

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            • Originally posted by Truster View Post
              Pauls afflictions were not meant to be lifted. "For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name".

              I try not to think of -Tada.

              Personal relations...no comment as commenting is impossible.

              At the first sign of affliction I want to know why and so I inquire and keep on enquiring until I get an answer. My enquiry is in regard to the affliction because I want to know what sin needs dealing with.

              6-7 years ago I was stricken with severe pain and to my utter shame I took little if any notice of why. Two months later I was stricken yet again, because of the same sin. I didn't bring forth sorrow for my sin nor did I attempt to turn from it. A month later I was hit yet again. This time I was granted repentance and delivered from the sin, never to return, Elohim willing.

              The fact of the matter is simple. The regenerate can fall into sin, but they can't remain in sin. If a person falls into sin and remains in sin and under continuous affliction I would question them as to the surety of their salvation.
              Paul's physical sickness was NOT about him suffering as an apostle.

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              • Originally posted by Eagles Wings View Post
                I struggle with what you're saying because of the danger of being overly scrupulous in routing out sin, for the purpose of being completely free of affliction. Or, as proof that one is living justly.

                Isn't this works?

                It reminds me of the three friends of Job.
                Salvation is a process and is ongoing through sanctification to the end result. Sanctification through repentance is the route that leads to holiness. We are made holy at regeneration, but unlike justification, conversion and regeneration that only occur once. Holiness by sanctification is progressive. If the process of sanctification is not present then neither is salvation.

                "Search me, O Elohim, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting".

                It is a work of trust.
                I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

                "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

                I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
                A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
                If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

                Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

                I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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                • PS

                  If you are struggling with what I'm saying then you must be a stranger to the experience.

                  Where I live I am surrounded by mountains. When people inform me that they've climbed a particular mountain I enter into a conversation expecting them to recognise routes, paths and dangers. They often betray that they haven't climbed the mountain by what they say.
                  I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

                  "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

                  I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
                  A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
                  If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

                  Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

                  I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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                  • Originally posted by Truster View Post
                    PS

                    If you are struggling with what I'm saying then you must be a stranger to the experience.

                    Where I live I am surrounded by mountains. When people inform me that they've climbed a particular mountain I enter into a conversation expecting them to recognise routes, paths and dangers. They often betray that they haven't climbed the mountain by what they say.
                    What questions would you ask the afflicted person to be assured they were saved?

                    How do you know if any affliction is due to personal un-confessed sin, or that the regenerate live in a fallen world?
                    Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

                    1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

                    2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
                    .

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                    • Originally posted by Eagles Wings View Post
                      What questions would you ask the afflicted person to be assured they were saved?

                      How do you know if any affliction is due to personal un-confessed sin, or that the regenerate live in a fallen world?
                      I dwell in reality and don't enter into hypothetical questions.
                      I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

                      "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

                      I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
                      A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
                      If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

                      Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

                      I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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                      • Originally posted by Truster View Post
                        I dwell in reality and don't enter into hypothetical questions.
                        I asked how you would discern if an affliction were due to sin, or due to living in a fallen world? There must be a set of criteria used to determine this, Truster.

                        I would like Scripture to support this, please.
                        Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

                        1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

                        2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
                        .

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                        • Originally posted by Eagles Wings View Post
                          I asked how you would discern if an affliction were due to sin, or due to living in a fallen world? There must be a set of criteria used to determine this, Truster.

                          I would like Scripture to support this, please.
                          If you want scripture go and find it. There is a scripture supporting my last remark.
                          I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

                          "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

                          I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
                          A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
                          If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

                          Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

                          I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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                          • Originally posted by Truster View Post
                            If you want scripture go and find it. There is a scripture supporting my last remark.
                            Job rejoiced in the Lord giving and taking away.

                            Since I truly believe, Romans 8:28, then a prolonged and even life-long afflication, would be for my good.
                            Last edited by Eagles Wings; August 31, 2017, 10:56 PM.
                            Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

                            1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

                            2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
                            .

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                            • Originally posted by Eagles Wings View Post
                              Job rejoiced in the Lord giving and taking away.

                              If I truly believe in Romans 8:28, then a prolonged and even life-long afflication, would be for my good.
                              The most important thing anyone can do is to make sure your election and calling. Following on there needs be much assurance and in assurance is all comfort.

                              I was stopped in Town about 10 years ago by a guy with a clip board. He asked if I had any accidents in the last three years. My reply was it would be impossible for me to have an accident! He looked puzzled and asked why/how/what? I told him that I don't believe in accidents. That I trust that all things happen for a reason and the reason is purposed.

                              Whatever happens has a reason and I like to know why things happen.
                              I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

                              "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

                              I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
                              A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
                              If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

                              Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

                              I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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                              • Originally posted by Truster View Post
                                The most important thing anyone can do is to make sure your election and calling. Following on there needs be much assurance and in assurance is all comfort.

                                I was stopped in Town about 10 years ago by a guy with a clip board. He asked if I had any accidents in the last three years. My reply was it would be impossible for me to have an accident! He looked puzzled and asked why/how/what? I told him that I don't believe in accidents. That I trust that all things happen for a reason and the reason is purposed.

                                Whatever happens has a reason and I like to know why things happen.
                                I agree.

                                For me, there is consolation and joy in knowing that I will know why in glory, if He does not show me in this life.
                                Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

                                1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

                                2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
                                .

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