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  • #31
    Originally posted by Truster View Post
    You've been caught out in another figment of your darkened imagination. As usual you try and twist the obvious and pass the blame on to me. FAIL.
    I guarantee you I have read more books by John Bunyan than anyone on this forum including you. He's my favorite author of all time. You're such a D.... A..

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
      I guarantee you I have read more books by John Bunyan than anyone on this forum including you. He's my favorite author of all time. You're such a D.... A..
      Big boast and so what? What did the saints do before Bunyan was born or Luther or any other of your idols.
      I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

      "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

      I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
      A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
      If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

      Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

      I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Truster View Post
        Big boast and so what? What did the saints do before Bunyan was born or Luther or any other of your idols.
        Do you need a hug?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
          A rejection of justification by faith alone automatically puts you in the camp of your works having some form of merit whether it is advocated or not. The works that justify according to James are those produced by love or the royal law of scripture. Sinful human beings cannot produce God's love, it is a gift to the repentant sinner only.
          A gift to the repentant sinner?

          So repentance is necessary?

          Doesn't repentance automatically put you outside of the faith alone camp? You seem to be saying that repentance has merit.

          After all, what you are speaking about is faith and repentance.

          And you acknowledge that "love" is required for works that justify and that God's love is given to those who repent.

          I quite agree with you.

          Faith/Belief is needed. Repentance is needed. Love is needed. But the Bible doesn't say any of those are "alone".

          It is by God's grace that we are able to have faith, repent, love, etc. It can all be attributed to His grace.

          If "faith alone" is such a key doctrine, I always wonder why Paul (or somebody) didn't just say so? I wonder why the Holy Spirit didn't inspire any author of Scripture to write that?

          Let me ask you a quick question.

          Can a person obtain salvation without having their sins forgiven?

          Peace.

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          • #35
            "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God" (Hebrews 6:1)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Epoisses;

              A faith without works is 'faith alone', unbeliever!
              And faith without works is dead (James 2).


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              • #37
                Originally posted by Bard_the_Bowman View Post
                A gift to the repentant sinner?

                So repentance is necessary?

                Doesn't repentance automatically put you outside of the faith alone camp? You seem to be saying that repentance has merit.

                After all, what you are speaking about is faith and repentance.

                And you acknowledge that "love" is required for works that justify and that God's love is given to those who repent.

                I quite agree with you.

                Faith/Belief is needed. Repentance is needed. Love is needed. But the Bible doesn't say any of those are "alone".

                It is by God's grace that we are able to have faith, repent, love, etc. It can all be attributed to His grace.

                If "faith alone" is such a key doctrine, I always wonder why Paul (or somebody) didn't just say so? I wonder why the Holy Spirit didn't inspire any author of Scripture to write that?

                Let me ask you a quick question.

                Can a person obtain salvation without having their sins forgiven?

                Peace.
                Just the ravings of a confused mind.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
                  And faith without works is dead (James 2).


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                  Your faith is dead because your old man is still alive.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
                    What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Rom. 4:1-6
                    Did Abraham act on his belief in what God told him or not?

                    Genesis 15:4-6
                    4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
                    5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
                    6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.


                    Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
                    A faith without works is 'faith alone', unbeliever!
                    Does doing the will of the father matter towards your salvation?

                    Matthew 21:28-31
                    28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
                    29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
                    30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
                    31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.



                    Matthew 7:21
                    21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

                    Learn to read what is written.

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                    The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                    ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
                      Just the ravings of a confused mind.
                      Oh please. I was merely agreeing with your post #20 where you state:

                      Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
                      A rejection of justification by faith alone automatically puts you in the camp of your works having some form of merit whether it is advocated or not. The works that justify according to James are those produced by love or the royal law of scripture. Sinful human beings cannot produce God's love, it is a gift to the repentant sinner only.
                      You clearly state that "works that justify...are those produced by love..." which "is a gift to repentant sinners."

                      So in your own words you have shown that you are not in the "faith alone" camp.

                      You are in the "faith and repentance" camp.

                      If my agreeing with what you stated is the ravings of a confused mind...what does that say about your mind?

                      Why are you avoiding my one question to you?

                      Can a person obtain salvation without having their sins forgiven?

                      I would appreciate your answer.

                      Obviously, your response in post #37 is an attempt to bail out of this conversation.

                      I won't push it. If you want to answer my one question above, great.

                      If not, ok. Bail out will be complete and this conversation can be over.

                      Peace to you either way.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
                        Your faith is dead because your old man is still alive.
                        That is the best response you could conceive?

                        Also, this statement makes no sense. "My faith is dead because my old man is still alive?" Please elaborate.


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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bard_the_Bowman View Post
                          Oh please. I was merely agreeing with your post #20 where you state:



                          You clearly state that "works that justify...are those produced by love..." which "is a gift to repentant sinners."

                          So in your own words you have shown that you are not in the "faith alone" camp.

                          You are in the "faith and repentance" camp.

                          If my agreeing with what you stated is the ravings of a confused mind...what does that say about your mind?

                          Why are you avoiding my one question to you?

                          Can a person obtain salvation without having their sins forgiven?

                          I would appreciate your answer.

                          Obviously, your response in post #37 is an attempt to bail out of this conversation.

                          I won't push it. If you want to answer my one question above, great.

                          If not, ok. Bail out will be complete and this conversation can be over.

                          Peace to you either way.
                          You can't read properly because love is not something a sinner can produce. Acts of love that justify us are acts that God thru his Spirit does in and thru us.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
                            That is the best response you could conceive?

                            Also, this statement makes no sense. "My faith is dead because my old man is still alive?" Please elaborate.


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                            I've been down this road with you before and you don't believe so it's pointless to debate an inept buffoon like you.

                            Christians are justified by faith alone in Christ alone. You're not a Christian, just a poser.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
                              I've been down this road with you before and you don't believe so it's pointless to debate an inept buffoon like you.

                              Christians are justified by faith alone in Christ alone. You're not a Christian, just a poser.
                              Now name calling? How Christian.

                              Your statement of "Christians are justified by faith alone in Christ alone," absent of Scriptural evidence, and contrary to what is found in Scripture demonstrates a knowledge that your doctrine is wanting.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Epoisses View Post
                                Your faith is dead because your old man is still alive.
                                Also, you did not explain this quote.


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