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  • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
    No, just as there wasn't when Christianity formed an image of Jesus and Mary to worship. Read Deuteronomy 4:15-19.
    So you're suggesting that the Holy Catholic and Holy Orthodox churches are equivalent to Aaron's golden-calf pagans? Your ancestors were pagans. Either One of the paganisms is authentic (which is the necessary corollary to there being a Maker), or none of them are, and they're all hokey. There are many of your brethren who believe the latter, though there are many who keep that ancient faith. I still am not sure which camp in which you dwell.

    If there is a Maker, then we needs examine the extant paganisms/religions. If not, then we do not. So, collectively, we ought heed Pascal and his wager. If there is a Maker, then we must examine the paganisms. If [and perhaps only if] there is a Maker, then and only then He is the One responsible for the Holy Catholic Church.

    If there is no Maker, then the Catholic Church is a scam. Otherwise, this is His.

    By the way I like you a lot, and I have been observing you for quite some time.

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    • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
      No, just as there wasn't when Christianity formed an image of Jesus and Mary to worship. Read Deuteronomy 4:15-19.
      Do you worship the golden calf as god?
      "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
      preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
      called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
      a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

      Charles Spurgeon !

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      • Originally posted by Nihilo View Post
        So you're suggesting that the Holy Catholic and Holy Orthodox churches are equivalent to Aaron's golden-calf pagans?
        There is absolutely no difference between the worshiping of an irrational animal and another human being as if they were gods. Read Deuteronomy 4:15,16.

        Your ancestors were pagans.
        And how do I have any thing to do with it? The Prophets of the Most High declare that the children have nothing to do with the sins of their fathers. Only the one who sins shall be punished. (Jer. 31:30; Ezek. 18:20)

        Either One of the paganisms is authentic (which is the necessary corollary to there being a Maker), or none of them are, and they're all hokey. There are many of your brethren who believe the latter, though there are many who keep that ancient faith. I still am not sure which camp in which you dwell.
        If you are implying that the Almighty was not the Maker aka He Who caused the universe to exist, who did it? Unless you believe that the universe caused itself to exist? What's your point of view on the matter?

        If there is a Maker, then we needs examine the extant paganisms/religions. If not, then we do not. So, collectively, we ought heed Pascal and his wager. If there is a Maker, then we must examine the paganisms. If [and perhaps only if there is a Maker, then and only then He is the One responsible for the Holy Catholic Church.
        Tell me, Nihilo, do you exist? If you do, you are yourself all the evidence I needed if I had to prove the existence of God. Otherwise, you caused yourself to exist but, to cause yourself to exist, you had to exist first but, if you existed, you did not have to further cause yourself to exist. It means you have no other option but to fit yourself into the concept of Causality which had its beginning with the Primal Maker though not having been caused to exist.

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        • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
          Do you worship the golden calf as god?
          No, didn't you read my reply above?

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          • The jews did. They believed that God was a golden calf!
            "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
            preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
            called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
            a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

            Charles Spurgeon !

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            • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
              The jews did. They believed that God was a golden calf!
              Every one in the whole world knows that the Jews are much more intelligent than that. You should read about them. A good source is found with Mark Twain in his Essay about the Jews. Have you ever read it? You need. It is only an Essay. If you would like to read it, let me know and I'll post it here for your eyes only.

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              • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                Every one in the whole world knows that the Jews are much more intelligent than that. You should read about them. A good source is found with Mark Twain in his Essay about the Jews. Have you ever read it? You need. It is only an Essay. If you would like to read it, let me know and I'll post it here for your eyes only.
                I know the jews during Aaron's and Moses day thought God was a golden calf, it is in the scriptures.
                "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                Charles Spurgeon !

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                • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                  There is absolutely no difference between the worshiping of an irrational animal and another human being as if they were gods. Read Deuteronomy 4:15,16.
                  So? Neither the Catholic nor the Orthodox churches worship either.
                  Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                  And how do I have any thing to do with it? The Prophets of the Most High declare that the children have nothing to do with the sins of their fathers. Only the one who sins shall be punished. (Jer. 31:30; Ezek. 18:20)
                  My point was that all religions are paganisms. The ancient Jewish faith was the authentic paganism, because it and it alone was the one paganism begun and sustained by our Maker.
                  Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                  If you are implying that the Almighty was not the Maker aka He Who caused the universe to exist, who did it? Unless you believe that the universe caused itself to exist? What's your point of view on the matter?
                  I believe in our Maker. He is the One Who called Moses, and Who communicated with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And He became flesh (John 1:14) and inaugurated the Church (Matthew 16:18).
                  Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                  Tell me, Nihilo, do you exist? If you do, you are yourself all the evidence I needed if I had to prove the existence of God. Otherwise, you caused yourself to exist but, to cause yourself to exist, you had to exist first but, if you existed, you did not have to further cause yourself to exist. It means you have no other option but to fit yourself into the concept of Causality which had its beginning with the Primal Maker though not having been caused to exist.
                  I'm glad we both believe in our Maker.

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                  • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                    I know the jews during Aaron's and Moses day thought God was a golden calf, it is in the scriptures.
                    Oh! I am glad I am having a conversation with someone who knows the Jews of the time of Moses. I have never met one.

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                    • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                      Oh! I am glad I am having a conversation with someone who knows the Jews of the time of Moses. I have never met one.
                      You don't believe the scripture
                      "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                      preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                      called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                      a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                      Charles Spurgeon !

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                      • [QUOTE=Nihilo;4670738]
                        So? Neither the Catholic nor the Orthodox churches worship either.
                        All acts of kneeling before the statue of a human being or animal is a pagan act of idolatry.

                        My point was that all religions are paganisms. The ancient Jewish faith was the authentic paganism, because it and it alone was the one paganism begun and sustained by our Maker.
                        Are you implying that Jesus was a pagan? He was a Jew and he taught to listen to "Moses" aka the Law if you read Luke 16:29-31. How do you explain that otherwise?

                        I believe in our Maker. He is the One Who called Moses, and Who communicated with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And He became flesh (John 1:14) and inaugurated the Church (Matthew 16:18).
                        I'm glad we both believe in our Maker.
                        I believe that HaShem is All-Powerful to do any thing He wants but one: The thing you wish He did or should have done. I mean by this that He did not become flesh in Jesus as it would be a pagan act of blasphemy if you read Isaiah 46:5. Regarding the Christian Church, I have already told you before that Jesus never had any thing to do with Christianity. He never even dreamed that Paul would ever found that church. (Acts 11:26)

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                        • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                          You don't believe the scripture
                          Try me. What is it that I don't believe in the scriptures? I am referring to the Scriptures that Jesus always referred to as the Word of God aka the Tanach. The NT he never even dreamed would ever rise. I bet you didn't know that, did you?

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                          • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                            Try me. What is it that I don't believe in the scriptures? I am referring to the Scriptures that Jesus always referred to as the Word of God aka the Tanach. The NT he never even dreamed would ever rise. I bet you didn't know that, did you?
                            That the jews during Aaron's and Moses day thought God was a golden calf
                            "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                            preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                            called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                            a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                            Charles Spurgeon !

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                            • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
                              That the jews during Aaron's and Moses day thought God was a golden calf
                              That's not what I asked. You are simply trying to vandalize the discussion and that's not good for inter-faith understanding.

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                              • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                                That's not what I asked. You are simply trying to vandalize the discussion and that's not good for inter-faith understanding.
                                You don't believe the scripture
                                "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                                preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                                called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                                a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                                Charles Spurgeon !

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