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  • Are Deuteronomy 6:5 and John 3:16 identical?

    Are John 3:16 and Deuteronomy 6:5 saying the same thing?

  • #2
    Originally posted by James Dalton View Post
    Are John 3:16 and Deuteronomy 6:5 saying the same thing?
    In principle, yes.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
    Charles Spurgeon

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nang View Post
      In principle, yes.
      In principle?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by James Dalton View Post
        In principle?
        Yes.

        Same Gospel message using different language.
        "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

        " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
        Gordon H. Clark

        "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
        Charles Spurgeon

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        • #5
          Originally posted by James Dalton View Post
          Are John 3:16 and Deuteronomy 6:5 saying the same thing?
          Hi, in what way would you think they were the same? Thanks

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          • #6
            Certainly "all Israel" shall be saved at the return of Messiah.
            Then they shall receive the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) and LOVE the LORD.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by beameup View Post
              Certainly "all Israel" shall be saved at the return of Messiah.
              Then they shall receive the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) and LOVE the LORD.
              How is that so (in your opinion) if they don't believe in the trinity or they don't even believe in Jesus?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by marhig View Post
                How is that so (in your opinion) if they don't believe in the trinity or they don't even believe in Jesus?
                The key verse would be Romans 11:25-26
                For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved. As it is written: There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob [Israel], for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
                At the end of the Great Tribulation (Time of Jacob's Trouble), Yeshua Messiah will return and rescue the remnant of His people from extermination.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by beameup View Post
                  The key verse would be Romans 11:25-26
                  For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved. As it is written: There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob [Israel], for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
                  At the end of the Great Tribulation (Time of Jacob's Trouble), Yeshua Messiah will return and rescue the remnant of His people from extermination.
                  That was clever. I didn't expect anyone to identify the connection you found. It is clear that you understand these two verses and how they are connected to salvation on the rock.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by James Dalton View Post
                    Are John 3:16 and Deuteronomy 6:5 saying the same thing?
                    Of course not. Why would anyone think so? Why would even a Christian think so?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chair View Post
                      Of course not. Why would anyone think so? Why would even a Christian think so?
                      I respect your perspective. What is your theological identity?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by James Dalton View Post
                        That was clever. I didn't expect anyone to identify the connection you found. re: Rom 11:25-26.
                        Here is another O.T. "Millennial" prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled:
                        Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and ye SHALL be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. - Exodus 19:5-6
                        "all the earth is mine" has not been fulfilled yet.

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