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  • Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
    I quoted you the words of Christ, Himself. Yet you dismiss them, in favor of a flawed theory based on Paul's teaching (which is extrapolated out of context).

    You dismissed Christ. Seems a little worse on your part.


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    You dismiss Jesus and Paul.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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    • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
      You dismiss Jesus and Paul.
      This seems to be the end of the discussion. Rather than expounding on reasons or answering charges, accusations of dismissive action are just being thrown around, with no evidence to support such accusations.


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        • Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
          This seems to be the end of the discussion. Rather than expounding on reasons or answering charges, accusations of dismissive action are just being thrown around, with no evidence to support such accusations.
          There is no use talking to someone who puts down most all of the New Testament.
          Oh how I love the Word of God!

          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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          • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
            There is no use talking to someone who puts down most all of the New Testament.
            This demonstrates my point. You throw out an accusation of "puts down most all of the New Testament," yet you have no evidence of it. No proof to back such a charge. And still you just do it. Time and again. I could ask how I put it down, and you would reply with some other unsupported accusation, unrelated to the question.


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            • Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
              This demonstrates my point. You throw out an accusation of "puts down most all of the New Testament," yet you have no evidence of it. No proof to back such a charge. And still you just do it. Time and again. I could ask how I put it down, and you would reply with some other unsupported accusation, unrelated to the question.
              Anyone can read here where you put down the apostle Paul.

              Since you put down Paul, you put down Luke, Acts, Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Philemon, Thessalonians, Philippians, Timothy, Titus, and Hebrews. Oh and add Peter too because he says Paul spoke scripture.
              Oh how I love the Word of God!

              Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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              • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                Anyone can read here where you put down the apostle Paul.

                Since you put down Paul, you put down Luke, Acts, Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Philemon, Thessalonians, Philippians, Timothy, Titus, and Hebrews. Oh and add Peter too because he says Paul spoke scripture.
                I never put down Paul. I gave an explanation of his words, with context. And demonstrated my point utilizing the words of Christ. However, you dismissed the words of Christ, because they destroyed your argument. If any one was "putting down," it twas you, dismissing Christ's words.


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                • Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
                  I never put down Paul. I gave an explanation of his words, with context. And demonstrated my point utilizing the words of Christ. However, you dismissed the words of Christ, because they destroyed your argument. If any one was "putting down," it twas you, dismissing Christ's words.
                  I will give you another chance.

                  Paul says Jesus' body is the church.

                  Are you going to believe what he says or put him down like you did before?


                  Colossians 1:24
                  Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions for the sake of His body, which is the church.
                  Oh how I love the Word of God!

                  Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                  • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                    I will give you another chance.

                    Paul says Jesus' body is the church.

                    Are you going to believe what he says or put him down like you did before?


                    Colossians 1:24
                    Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions for the sake of His body, which is the church.
                    Here is my counter:

                    Logic: If Christ is coming back for the church, would it be reasonable to say he is "coming back for his body?"

                    Luke 22:19
                    Christ broke the bread and gave it to his disciples saying "This is my Body which will be given up for you."

                    One of two things is occurring here. Either Paul is disagreeing with Christ (ie: not believing and dismissing Christ) or Paul is talking metaphorically.

                    How can Paul be metaphorical? Because Christ taught that we have an inheritance with Christ, becoming one with Christ. This would be metaphysical. This reasoning would support and align with both the words of Paul in Colossians, as well as Christ's in Luke (not to mention aligning with the entirety of the New Testament).

                    Now, you can dismiss my argument. However, I have effectively and truthfully disproven your argument, utilizing Christ's teachings. The only effective and logical attempt to disprove my argument is a counter that is cohesive and is taught by Christ and his disciples. There is no way that your former argument can stand, due to faltering under the scrutiny and examination when compared to the teaching and words of Christ Himself.


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                    • Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
                      Here is my counter:

                      Logic: If Christ is coming back for the church, would it be reasonable to say he is "coming back for his body?"
                      We who are saved are IN HIS BODY and those who die before he comes will be coming with him.


                      1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

                      Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
                      Luke 22:19
                      Christ broke the bread and gave it to his disciples saying "This is my Body which will be given up for you."

                      One of two things is occurring here. Either Paul is disagreeing with Christ (ie: not believing and dismissing Christ) or Paul is talking metaphorically.
                      If you are insinuating that a building is the body of Christ then you really are in a bad way.

                      Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
                      How can Paul be metaphorical? Because Christ taught that we have an inheritance with Christ, becoming one with Christ. This would be metaphysical. This reasoning would support and align with both the words of Paul in Colossians, as well as Christ's in Luke (not to mention aligning with the entirety of the New Testament).

                      Now, you can dismiss my argument. However, I have effectively and truthfully disproven your argument, utilizing Christ's teachings. The only effective and logical attempt to disprove my argument is a counter that is cohesive and is taught by Christ and his disciples. There is no way that your former argument can stand, due to faltering under the scrutiny and examination when compared to the teaching and words of Christ Himself.
                      You refuse to believe what is clearly written, and that is Christ's body is the Church.
                      Oh how I love the Word of God!

                      Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                      • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                        We who are saved are IN HIS BODY and those who die before he comes will be coming with him.


                        1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.



                        If you are insinuating that a building is the body of Christ then you really are in a bad way.



                        You refuse to believe what is clearly written, and that is Christ's body is the Church.
                        Obviously the Body is not a building. Metaphysical is a fundamental nature of being.

                        You refuse to believe what Christ clearly says. Christ says His Body is the "Bread of Life."

                        Your logic would conclude that the church is the bread of life.


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                        • Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
                          Obviously the Body is not a building. Metaphysical is a fundamental nature of being.

                          You refuse to believe what Christ clearly says. Christ says His Body is the "Bread of Life."

                          Your logic would conclude that the church is the bread of life.


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                          When a person is saved, he is put in Christ's body in heaven, and Jesus lives in that saved person's heart.

                          You should believe Paul who says Jesus body is the church.
                          Oh how I love the Word of God!

                          Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                          • Originally posted by God's Truth View Post
                            When a person is saved, he is put in Christ's body in heaven, and Jesus lives in that saved person's heart.

                            You should believe Paul who says Jesus body is the church.
                            You should believe Christ, who says His Body is the Bread.

                            Seriously though, try to explain Christ's words from the Last Supper.


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                            • Originally posted by jsanford108 View Post
                              You should believe Christ, who says His Body is the Bread.

                              Seriously though, try to explain Christ's words from the Last Supper.
                              Jesus is the Word of God, John 1:1. The Word became flesh, John 1:14. Jesus’ words are life, John 6:63. Jesus’ body is the bread, the bread from heaven, John 6:33. Matthew 4:4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.“

                              If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever, John 6:51. This bread is Jesus’ flesh, which he will give for the life of the world, John 6:53.

                              Unless we eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, we have no life in us. Jesus tells us the truth, if anyone obeys his word, he will never see death, John 8:51.

                              When we believe in Jesus’ shed blood, we come into the blood covenant with God, Mark 14:24. We believe and this believing is as drinking his blood.

                              To obey Jesus, to do what the bread from heaven says, this is eating, this is eating the bread from heaven, and it is eating his flesh. Obeying Jesus’ word is equivalent to eating his flesh.

                              Luke 11:3 Give us each day our daily bread.

                              Jesus says for us to pray, give us each day our daily bread. That is having Jesus every day, his words, his teachings. We are to eat Jesus every day, which is to obey every day.

                              John 6:58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.”

                              Did you hear what Jesus said? Jesus says he who “feeds on this bread.” That is not a onetime thing. We are to eat every day. We are to obey every day.

                              Matthew 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

                              When we are hungry, hungry for God’s truth, we come to Jesus. Jesus says, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.” John 6:51

                              When we come to Jesus, believe, and obey, Jesus gives us water to drink that is, Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit, John 4:10; 14; John 7:38; 39.

                              1 Corinthians 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

                              John 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” The seal of approval is the Holy Spirit.

                              When we celebrate the Lord’s Supper, it is in remembrance to Jesus dying for us.
                              For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.1 Corinthians 11:26.

                              Read what Jesus' disciples said to him...

                              John 4:31 Meanwhile his disciples urged him, "Rabbi, eat something."


                              32 But he said to them, "I have food to eat that you know nothing about."

                              33 Then his disciples said to each other, "Could someone have brought him food?"

                              34 "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

                              Did you read that? Jesus says his food is to DO the will of him who sent me and to FINISH HIS WORK.

                              We are to do God's will. God's will is that we obey Jesus' teachings.

                              Now, that proves we eat the flesh of Jesus when we do what Jesus says to do.

                              That is how we eat the bread from heaven, the bread of life.

                              We have to eat every day. We have to obey every day.
                              Oh how I love the Word of God!

                              Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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                              • Now you should believe Paul who plainly says Jesus is the church.

                                Nowhere anywhere does Jesus say the church is a building, or Peter, or a denomination.

                                Jesus is the church and he is the one who went to hell and the gates of hell could not keep him there, for he rose again.
                                Oh how I love the Word of God!

                                Don't just hear the word and believe it---do it.

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