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  • Asking where the words, "God the Son, hypostatic union, dual nature, and God man" is a strange question if the theology behind these terms can be shown to be derived from the bible. Such an imposed requirement of asking that specific words be shown to be in the bible, which those who hold to these never say are found in the bible but only the theology behind them, can be equated to saying, "well the word bible is not found in the bible so there must be no bible."

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    • I recognise the anti trinitarian worship at my church's worship every Sunday. The whole emphasis is on Jesus. Jesus is spoken of like he is God and their is no Spirit or Father, but Jesus is everything. This attitude is contrary to Jesus own statements in the gospels. The worship of Jesus only, ignoring the trinity is idolatry!

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      • Originally posted by BoyStan View Post
        I recognise the anti trinitarian worship at my church's worship every Sunday. The whole emphasis is on Jesus. Jesus is spoken of like he is God and their is no Spirit or Father, but Jesus is everything. This attitude is contrary to Jesus own statements in the gospels. The worship of Jesus only, ignoring the trinity is idolatry!
        Well, this isn't the thread to debate it, but no, I disagree with you. "I and the Father are one." There is no honoring the Son without honoring the Father or Spirit. Most often, the mistake I see is that one doesn't rightly understand that God is One, Father, Spirit, and Son is/are God. It is given as a mystery, but the 'equatedness' is clear, Suggestion: Spend a little time reading the Creeds, their scriptures given, and why the documents were crafted the way they were. You don't have to agree with the Creeds unless they are wholly Biblical, and I believe they are. Further discussion might be taken to one of the threads linked on the first page. This specific thread simply tracks these threads and if they get overtly top-heavy on TOL, we can eliminate the redundant ones leaving one or two in the wake that carry the intent (we haven't had to, because a new one is started almost every other day here on TOL by Arians/Unitarians). This thread is simply about the #'s and discussion about their specific existence on TOL rather than a rehashing of those exact same topics in yet another thread, as it were. Thanks -Lon
        My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
        Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
        Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
        Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
        No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
        Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

        ? Yep

        Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

        ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

        Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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        • Thanks, Lon
          Okay my comment was in the wrong thread. I was not seeking to debate the Trinity. I am fully 100% convinced of the Trinity. The Trinity is not just a doctrine for academic textbooks or theology students. The Trinity is what I practice everyday. This is especially so in prayer to the Father in Jesus name through the Holy Spirit. My observation of the complete focus on Jesus at church, especially in worship, is out of focus with the New Testament witness. Let the church practice the same Trinitarian balance shown in the New Testament.

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          • If you want scriptural warrant(s) for the doctrine of the Trinity, start at the beginning - Genesis 1.1-2.4a, the locus classics of trinitarian theology.This is not the 'last' time the doctrine is delivered,but you should begin here, that is, if you want to learn something:

            http://markanmandala.info/mm1.html

            If you are serious about theology, the you can download Hebrew and Greek fonts from the link listed on the following page:

            http://markanmandala.info

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            • Seems to be a resurgence of these lately.
              Last edited by Lon; February 21st, 2017, 04:40 PM. Reason: accidentally hit 'quote' :doh:
              My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
              Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
              Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
              Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
              No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
              Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

              ? Yep

              Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

              ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

              Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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              • Originally posted by BoyStan View Post
                I recognise the anti trinitarian worship at my church's worship every Sunday. The whole emphasis is on Jesus. Jesus is spoken of like he is God and their is no Spirit or Father, but Jesus is everything. This attitude is contrary to Jesus own statements in the gospels. The worship of Jesus only, ignoring the trinity is idolatry!
                That's the whole reason for the Trinity doctrine, it is to have everyone worshipping Jesus(true name is Yehowshuwa) instead of the Father Yehowah.

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                • Originally posted by Truth- View Post
                  That's the whole reason for the Trinity doctrine, it is to have everyone worshipping Jesus(true name is Yehowshuwa) instead of the Father Yehowah.

                  Yes, it is idolatry.

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                  • Oh God help us! Not another one. Isn't one enough?
                    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                    Pro scripture = Protestant

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                    • Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


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                      • Interesting that Jesus does not state those who do my will...
                        "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                        "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                        Pro scripture = Protestant

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                        • Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                          Interesting that Jesus does not state those who do my will...
                          Interesting and entirely explained by the Trinity doctrine of the Church.

                          There is distinction between the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father generates the Son, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son. This is why the Lord Jesus Christ the Son, said, "I and the Father are one," and it's also why the Church believes and teaches that the Maker is the Trinity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and that's why the Church baptizes in the name of the Trinity, because That's the Maker.

                          God.
                          Last edited by Nihilo; April 22nd, 2017, 10:52 PM. Reason: Capitalize That

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                          • Originally posted by meshak View Post
                            Yes, it is idolatry.
                            Posts like this will get you banned from this thread. Bye.

                            June is Gay Pride Month.Tolerance and diversity? ☞ More like tolerate perversity.☠

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                            • Originally posted by Lon View Post
                              The last time I tallied these, the number was well over 130 threads against a Trinitarian view.

                              After all of them were deleted, it is surprising to see how quickly they are rejuvenated.

                              This is not a 'debate the trinity' thread. It is a thread specifically about the number of threads and why they exist, as well as a reference tool.

                              1. ECT- A pink egg isn't a blue egg -can't be an egg, & Jesus cannot be God -Oatmeal
                              2.A pink egg isn't an egg and Jesus can't be God (2) -Oatmeal Deleted
                              3. Jesus isn't God - Elia
                              4. Jesus isn't the Messiah - Elia
                              5. Jesus can't be Y-H-W-H or he'd be praying to Himself -Elia Deleted--Same topic as Jesus isn't God
                              6. There are two gods -October23
                              7. Jesus is just a normal man, not God -Cross-Reference
                              8. Why can't you see God, but people have seen Jesus Christ? Pink egg isn't a pink egg redux--Oatmeal Deleted--same topic again. Please stick to one thread.
                              9. Jesus has a God-Keypurr
                              10. A false messiah and an idol -Elia
                              11. Not only anti-Trinitarian but anti-Christ as well.
                              12. The Trinity is False - Squeeky
                              13. Jesus isn't Jehovah -Kingdom rose
                              14. Jesus is not God - Lazy
                              15. Jesus is not God - Cherubram
                              16. Jesus isn't our sin Sacrifice - Caino (UB thread at 680+ pages of useless bandwidth, would like to see it chopped and a new thread started if it must)
                              17. Jesus isn't God, just His right-hand - Cherubram
                              18. Jesus isn't the Alpha and Omega - Cherubram
                              19. Jesus is unique, but not God - cgavaria
                              20. Jesus is not God, no matter what scripture says - cgavaria
                              21. Jesus is just 'a' god - Squeeky
                              22. Is Jesus God? -Versais (Hinduism) I'd leave this one as legitimate and needed against polytheism
                              23. Jesus is Created - Squeeky
                              24. Jesus is Created - cgavaria
                              25. Jesus is not Messiah - Elia
                              26. The Trinity is False -Squeaky
                              27. Jesus is not equal with God - Cherubram
                              28. Jesus is not God -Daqq
                              29. Jesus is not God - kingdomrose
                              30. Jesus isn't perfect so not God - Stephencbh
                              31. Jesus is not God (2) - Kingdomrose
                              32. God is not Triune - Kingdomrose
                              33. YHWH is not Triune -Kingdomrose (Sacred namer as well )
                              34. The Trinity is not true -Kingdomrose
                              35.


                              Mod Note: There gets to be too many of these threads, they will be deleted. Duplicate topics will be deleted.
                              My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                              Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                              Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                              Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                              No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                              Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                              ? Yep

                              Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                              ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                              Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                              • I ignore heresy.

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