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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by SabathMoon View Post
    They aren't sloppy. The idenifite articular construct is older than the english definite articular constructs.

    "But as many as received him,
    Who is Him?

    The Light. God.

    What does John 1:1 say?

    "And God was the Word." That's literally what it says.



    So therefore "the Word" = "God" = "the Light" = "Him".

    Who is the first chapter of John talking about?

    The Word, The Light, Jesus Christ.

    God.

    to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." This logos not the logos of the hebrew name YHWH.
    The passage is not talking about a "word." The passage is talking about the "Word."

    Anything else would be idolatry.
    Just so we're on the same page, Trinitarians believe the Word (logos) in John 1:1 is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who is God. Not "a" word. "The" Word.

    They rarely do that because they are talking about a specific god. That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
    Let's stay away from fallacious arguments, like the argument from incredulity.

    "To the unnoticed one the god". Even your example is unconvincing.
    I'm giving you the literal translation of "AGNOSTO THEO." Why are you trying to say it doesn't say what it says?

    AGNOSTO THEO" literally translated means "unknown god," which in English translates to "to an unknown god." There's no definite article there. Please stop adding to scripture.

    Seems to me you don't know what the nominative case is.


    Perhaps you should just look at the image I am providing. Koine Greek was the language the New Testament was originally written in, no?

    So then why can't you accept what it literally says?

    You need to consider that you are an idolator.
    How about instead of making baseless accusations, you provide an argument for your case.

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  • JudgeRightly
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    Originally posted by SabathMoon View Post
    John 1:1c with Greek


    YHWH is the word that is the god; not Yeshua.
    John 1:14a with Greek[/QUOTE]




    Not the same logos.
    Yes, the exact same Logos.

    John 8:58 with Greek



    It was about Abraham still being alive, and seeing his day and being happy about it.
    I like how you read all of that into the verse, where it says nothing of the sort.

    John 20:28b with Greek
    Kai and mou seperate both parts of the would be subject or start of the sentence.


    Seems pretty clear to me that Jesus was the Lord of him and the God of him.

    See, there's a funny thing about the greek language. When the Greeks talk about gods, they rarely (if ever) put a definite article in front of "theos," because they're polytheistic, and defining one of their gods as "the god" would elevate one as "the god." But when talking about the one true God of the Bible, except for a few exceptions where the grammar requires differently, God is written as "the God," or "ho theos."

    For example, "TO AN UNKNOWN GOD," or "AGNOSTO THEO," is the inscription Paul mentions in Acts 17:23. Not "AGNOSTO HO THEO," because that would imply "the" God. When there's no definite article in front of a noun in Greek, it's like putting "a" or "an" in front of a noun in English. Paul, in verse 24, calls this "unknown god" of the Greeks "The God" in the very next verse. If this distinction was not here in the Bible, between the way the greek pagans spoke greek and the way believers in Christ spoke Greek, defining "ho theos" instead of just "theos," it would be very difficult to determine which "god" or "God" is being talked about.

    English translations are not proof of anything because they are sloppy. It needs to improve.
    The only sloppy translations here are yours. They need to improve.

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  • Tambora
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    Originally posted by SabathMoon View Post
    Why is slandering the holy spirit mean death then?
    Who told you that?

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  • Bright Raven
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    Originally posted by SabathMoon View Post
    Why is slandering the holy spirit mean death then?
    Because He gives the testimony of Jesus. Without the testimony of Jesus there is no salvation.

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  • SabathMoon
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    Why is slandering the holy spirit mean death then?

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  • Tambora
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    The Father is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit.
    The Son is not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit.
    The Holy Spirit is not the Son, nor the Father.

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  • Sleekbacksmile
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    User removed from thread. This is not the place for this.
    Last edited by Sherman; July 27th, 2017, 09:01 AM.

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  • shopkinslpskids
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    I ignore heresy.

    Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

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  • Lon
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    Originally posted by Lon View Post
    The last time I tallied these, the number was well over 130 threads against a Trinitarian view.

    After all of them were deleted, it is surprising to see how quickly they are rejuvenated.

    This is not a 'debate the trinity' thread. It is a thread specifically about the number of threads and why they exist, as well as a reference tool.

    1. ECT- A pink egg isn't a blue egg -can't be an egg, & Jesus cannot be God -Oatmeal
    2.A pink egg isn't an egg and Jesus can't be God (2) -Oatmeal Deleted
    3. Jesus isn't God - Elia
    4. Jesus isn't the Messiah - Elia
    5. Jesus can't be Y-H-W-H or he'd be praying to Himself -Elia Deleted--Same topic as Jesus isn't God
    6. There are two gods -October23
    7. Jesus is just a normal man, not God -Cross-Reference
    8. Why can't you see God, but people have seen Jesus Christ? Pink egg isn't a pink egg redux--Oatmeal Deleted--same topic again. Please stick to one thread.
    9. Jesus has a God-Keypurr
    10. A false messiah and an idol -Elia
    11. Not only anti-Trinitarian but anti-Christ as well.
    12. The Trinity is False - Squeeky
    13. Jesus isn't Jehovah -Kingdom rose
    14. Jesus is not God - Lazy
    15. Jesus is not God - Cherubram
    16. Jesus isn't our sin Sacrifice - Caino (UB thread at 680+ pages of useless bandwidth, would like to see it chopped and a new thread started if it must)
    17. Jesus isn't God, just His right-hand - Cherubram
    18. Jesus isn't the Alpha and Omega - Cherubram
    19. Jesus is unique, but not God - cgavaria
    20. Jesus is not God, no matter what scripture says - cgavaria
    21. Jesus is just 'a' god - Squeeky
    22. Is Jesus God? -Versais (Hinduism) I'd leave this one as legitimate and needed against polytheism
    23. Jesus is Created - Squeeky
    24. Jesus is Created - cgavaria
    25. Jesus is not Messiah - Elia
    26. The Trinity is False -Squeaky
    27. Jesus is not equal with God - Cherubram
    28. Jesus is not God -Daqq
    29. Jesus is not God - kingdomrose
    30. Jesus isn't perfect so not God - Stephencbh
    31. Jesus is not God (2) - Kingdomrose
    32. God is not Triune - Kingdomrose
    33. YHWH is not Triune -Kingdomrose (Sacred namer as well )
    34. The Trinity is not true -Kingdomrose
    35.


    Mod Note: There gets to be too many of these threads, they will be deleted. Duplicate topics will be deleted.

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  • Sherman
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    Originally posted by meshak View Post
    Yes, it is idolatry.
    Posts like this will get you banned from this thread. Bye.

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  • Nihilo
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    Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
    Interesting that Jesus does not state those who do my will...
    Interesting and entirely explained by the Trinity doctrine of the Church.

    There is distinction between the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father generates the Son, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son. This is why the Lord Jesus Christ the Son, said, "I and the Father are one," and it's also why the Church believes and teaches that the Maker is the Trinity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and that's why the Church baptizes in the name of the Trinity, because That's the Maker.

    God.
    Last edited by Nihilo; April 22nd, 2017, 09:52 PM. Reason: Capitalize That

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  • oatmeal
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    Interesting that Jesus does not state those who do my will...

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  • stephencbh
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    Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


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  • oatmeal
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    Oh God help us! Not another one. Isn't one enough?

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  • meshak
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    Originally posted by Truth- View Post
    That's the whole reason for the Trinity doctrine, it is to have everyone worshipping Jesus(true name is Yehowshuwa) instead of the Father Yehowah.

    Yes, it is idolatry.

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