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  • Originally posted by Pierac View Post

    I know... that's why you promote your biblical BLM lies as truth... Here, let me show you a little truth... in just 9 biblical words.... Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him .

    So Mr Right Divider.... Who gave Jesus His revelation...? You? Me? or His GOD???

    You speak as a child little divider!


    So... who's sorry now???
    I understand that you believe a lie and will do anything and everything to support it.

    Jesus is God.... AND man.

    1Ti 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    Act 13:23 KJV Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
    Hos 13:4 KJV Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
    Luk 1:46-47 KJV And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, (47) And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
    The Savior is God... the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Also see this blog post: https://theologyonline.com/blogs/right-divider/2441821-
    Last edited by Right Divider; September 11, 2020, 08:31 AM.
    All of my ancestors are human.
    Originally posted by Squeaky
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Originally posted by God's Truth
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

      I understand that you believe a lie and will do anything and everything to support it.

      Jesus is God.... AND man.


      The Savior is God... the Lord Jesus Christ.

      Also see this blog post: https://theologyonline.com/blogs/right-divider/2441821-


      Is God the only Savior?

      I imagine by now you may be arguing with me and saying something like this: Well, if Jesus is not God in human flesh what you say to the Scriptures that say only God can save? After all, God says, "I, even I, am the LORD; and there is no Savior besides me" (Isaiah 40 3:11). If Jesus is not God and there are two saviors! And this is something the Bible here clearly excludes.

      We have already seen a strong argument against the idea that God became man in order to redeem us is that there is not one single Old Testament prophecy that supports it. Not one verse foretells that God himself was going to become a man in order to save us. The opposite is the case. The prophets predicted a human being who would under God's anointing Spirit rescue us.

      Wherein lies the solution? Ah, let's now read this through our Hebrew eyes and see what a difference it makes. Remember that dictum the Jews had about the law of agency where "the agent is as the principal himself"? It applies right here.

      Let's go back to Exodus 23. You remember that we used this chapter earlier to illustrate the Hebrew law of agency. We saw that the angel of the Lord acted in God's stead. What the angel did in said was really what God himself did and said, for "My name is in him" (v. 21). In verse 23 Jehovah explained, "For My angel will go before you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hivities and the Jebusites; and I will completely destroy them." The angel was the instrument through whom God destroyed the enemies.

      Now let's proceed on in the chapter. God says to the Israelites, "I will send my terror ahead of you… I will make all your enemies turn their backs to you. And I will send hornets ahead of you, that they may drive out the Hivities, the Canaanites, and the Hittites before you" (v. 27-28).

      To our understanding this sounds as if the LORD himself is going to do the work. But when we come to verse 31: "I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you will drive them out before you." So God expects the Israelites to drive their enemies out. Is there a contradiction here? Will God Himself drive out their enemies or will the Israelites do it? We note the principle again and again. Got says He will act when in fact He is going to empower his angels and his people to do the work.

      This kind of talk has a thorough Hebrew feel about it. Actions that are directly ascribed to God are in fact carried out by his commissioned agents. Take another instance: "in the LORD… he saved them by the hand of Jeroboam" (2 Kings 14:27).
      Once again we observe the clear distinction between God who is the ultimate Author of deliverance and his appointed agent who in this case was King Jeroboam. Or take this verse: "therefore you did deliver them into the hands of the oppressors who oppressed them. But when they cry to You in the time of their distress, You did hear from heaven, and according to Your great compassion You did give them deliverers who delivered them from the hand of their it oppressors" (Nehemiah 9:27).

      Graeser, the author of One God and One Lord, p.363. Writes:

      God, Christ and others are referred to as "saviors," but that clearly does not make them identical. The term "Savior" is used of many people in the Bible. This is hard to see in the English versions because, when it is used of men, the translators almost always translated as "deliverer." This in and of itself shows that modern translators have a Trinitarian bias that was not in the original languages. The only reason to translate the same word as "Savior" when it applies to God or Christ, but as "deliverer" when it applies to men, is to make the terms seem unique to God and Jesus when in fact it is not. This is a good example of how the actual meaning of Scriptures can be obscured if the translators are not careful or if they are theologically biased.

      Is often been argued that the very name Jesus, which means "Yahweh saves," prove Jesus is Jehovah because "he will save his people from their sins" (Matt 1:21). But the logic is not consistently applied because the O.T. name Joshua means "Yahweh saves." I have never yet heard someone who believes in the deity of Christ argue that Joshua was God in the flesh. We know that the O.T. Joshua was God appointed man to deliver Israel. As Joshua and Israel went forth in obedience to his word God save them. Just so, in the matter of our salvation, God sent forth his son into battle. Through Jesus God has saved us. This is why both God and Jesus are called Savior. But the Bible never loses sight of the fact that God the Father is the ultimate Author of our salvation through (dia) his son.

      This same line of reasoning applies to the healing of the paralytic in Mark 2. This is one of the most commonly appealed to Scriptures that allegedly proves that Jesus must be God, because "only God can forgive sins" (v.7). When Jesus pronounced the man forgiven/healed, the Pharisees say that Jesus is "blaspheming" because he is claiming to be God. But a little careful attention to detail will show that Jesus is not claiming deity. He is rather claiming "authority." He says, "But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins…" (v.10). The parallel account in Matthew's report is that once the people saw Jesus healed a paralytic, "they were filled with awe, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men" ( Matt 9:8). We note that Jesus is claiming to be "the Son of Man," that is, the human Messiah, with a God given right to pronounce forgiveness. Not too much later Jesus invested other men-his apostles-with the same authority to forgive sins: "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; he to retain the sins of any, they have been retained" (John 20:23). If only God can forgive sins, then God and Jesus and the apostles are all God! Besides, there is no teaching anywhere in the Bible that says only God can forgive. Even Christians are commanded to forgive each other sin (Eph. 4:32; Col. 3:13). The fact that the Pharisees say that only God can forgive sins does not make this an established Biblical doctrine. The Pharisees often had wrong doctrine and were often corrected by our Lord Jesus. This was one such occasion.

      Those who believe that Jesus can only be our Savior if he is God sometimes appeal to the prophecy from Jeremiah 23: (In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely; and this is his name by which he will be called, ‘The LORD our righteousness’" (Jer. 23:6).
      Does this not say that the coming Savior will be "The LORD our righteousness," that is, God himself? This is easily answered when we note that a few chapters later we have this prophecy in Jeremiah 33: "in those days Judah shall be saved in Jerusalem shall dwell in safety; and this is the name by which she shall be called: the LORD is our righteousness’ (v.16).

      Here the city of Jerusalem is given the very same title as the coming redeemer earlier. I have never yet heard anyone argue that the city of Jerusalem must also be God himself because it bears the same title as Jehovah. Hebrew understanding is needed to avoid the confusion.
      This is why it is fallacious to reason that because Jesus is called the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" (Rev. 19:16) he must necessarily be Almighty God Himself. The fact that Artaxerxes is called "king of kings" and that God himself calls Nebuchadnezzar "king of kings" does not put these men in the same league as Messiah Jesus, nor mean they have the same nature as him. The designation "king of kings" is obviously a very Hebrew way of speaking that has nothing to do with the equivalency of nature. The Hebrews could also speak of a "servant of servants," which simply means to the lowest of the low (Gen 9:25). In the book of Daniel God addresses Nebuchadnezzar: "You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory" (Dan. 2:37).

      In the same Hebrew fashion, when Scriptures designate Jesus Christ as "the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords" the message conveyed is that God has also given him the Kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory of the Age to Come. Equality of being with the God who gives the Kingdom does not come into the equation, for either Nebuchadnezzar or Jesus. If, as already noted, to share the same nomenclature as God does not prove literal identity with God himself, the same holds true for the sharing of the same titles. Whilst Jesus may share the title "king of kings and Lord of Lords" with God his Father, there is one title reserved uniquely for the Father God. No other individual, including the Lord Jesus, is ever called by the title "God of gods" (Deut. 10:17). This title, as well as "the Lord God" (Rev. 1:8), is always reserved for the one true God, who is the Father.

      You can pull up your theological pants now.... You spanking is complete! You talk about lies... Little Divider! It is well known it is easier to believe a lie your heard 1000 times, vs the TRUTH you hear only once! Here's you once truth little divider!

      Again, taken from a deleted Trinity Talk thread, which converted sooo many minds like yours! You open to the truth, or just defending what your told to believe?

      Silly Child,

      🧐📖
      Paul
      Last edited by Sherman; September 14, 2020, 11:34 AM. Reason: Name Calling
      From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
      From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
      From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
      Oh God of Truth, deliver us.

      ~ Ancient Prayer

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      • Pierac

        I will not read your canned text. If you like to have a discussion, let us know.
        All of my ancestors are human.
        Originally posted by Squeaky
        That explains why your an idiot.
        Originally posted by God's Truth
        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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        • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
          Pierac

          I will not read your canned text. If you like to have a discussion, let us know.
          Define canned text? I wrote this text myself silly child years ago and it's part of our discussion! You won't read it because you are committed to what your told to believe! Fear rules your heart, not truth!

          My post don't tell you what to believe, they only show you the truth. The fact you will not read it shows your just a follower... You have no one to go to and ask for help on how to defend what your told to believe. Little Divider,
          I wish you were here 12 years ago.... when Real Men and Women actually defended their views... in heated passion... instead of saying.... I'm not reading your post!

          So disappointed with the lack of biblical knowledge here today.
          From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
          From the laziness that is content with half-truths,
          From the arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
          Oh God of Truth, deliver us.

          ~ Ancient Prayer

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          • Originally posted by Pierac View Post
            Define canned text? I wrote this text myself silly child years ago and it's part of our discussion! You won't read it because you are committed to what your told to believe! Fear rules your heart, not truth!
            Cut and paste is the definition of canned text.

            I have no fear... I know that the scripture teaches the deity of Christ.
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • Originally posted by Pierac View Post

              Now he has me to bend him over my knee and give him a Theological Spanking... Like I did others in the past!

              Yep, in the past I recieved so many personal messages about how Trinity Talk opened their eyes... Then was deleted after several years of post. My Agency post from above is from that thread!


              However, TOL seems very weak and pathetic today compared to the challenges from the past! What happened to this site? I'm almost embarrassed to be here. No substance, just emotion.... what happened to Knight who ran this place? Think I will spank these kids and leave... as they have no belief from beyond what they are told to believe. They seek nothing, but to be told what to follow! Just look at any response...In the past I would not be able to respond to all the comments... Now nothing! As the few who are here just don't give a crap one way or the other. Weak children from strong Fathers of the past! Yet you stayed! That speaks volumes...
              I have been thinking the same thing as of late, TOL is not what it use to be. I think Trinitarians deep down know they're losing the fight and many have stopped even trying to defend their false doctrine, hopefully, many have abandoned the doctrine altogether. Even here on TOL the Trinitarians that are left either shy away from intelligent discussion and simply make emotional assertions about their faith. They hold onto their false doctrine the same way a sports fan has unwavering loyalty to their chosen sports team despite them never winning and always losing.
              If you cant beat them join them

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              • Originally posted by NWL View Post

                I have been thinking the same thing as of late, TOL is not what it use to be. I think Trinitarians deep down know they're losing the fight and many have stopped even trying to defend their false doctrine, hopefully, many have abandoned the doctrine altogether. Even here on TOL the Trinitarians that are left either shy away from intelligent discussion and simply make emotional assertions about their faith. They hold onto their false doctrine the same way a sports fan has unwavering loyalty to their chosen sports team despite them never winning and always losing.
                At the beginning, I thought at least I'd found 1 (one) unitarian/arian that wanted to think and be challenged with clear thinking and clear scriptures. This? As with Pierac, naught but emoting and penny-ante academics. I'll take ANY honest, clear thinking Arian/Unitarian any day. When they quit, default to ridiculous or in Pierac's case, carnality?

                Unitarians/Arians generally are their own worst enemies and given to inane posturing without any inclination for reasonable or intelligent facts. I've tried: Posturing and immature 'nuh uh's.'

                What this tells me:

                There simply is a desire, despite ANY contention, to be contentious and prideful in Arians/Unitarians clearly WITHOUT the where-with-all to simply go the distance in conversation. It ALWAYS ends in posturing and fingers stuck in ears. Well, except in two cases but those two dear fellows are trinitarians today. Why? SIMPLY because they aren't/weren't arrogant and ignorant: They CHOSE to listen to clear scripture teaching.

                In a nutshell, both of your problems are specifically "Your" problems with a lot of projecting and lack of ownership. I'd welcome either of you to actually sit, be quiet, and learn something. Problem? Neither of you CAN or will humble yourself under the hand of God and His scriptures. You are both stubborn, arrogant, and willful. End of discussion... until such a time as either of you become humble before the hand of God and are ready to listen to what He actually does say.


                (save it, I really don't want to hear it, it IS afterall, simply willful arrogance and ignorance, neither of you, in the knee-jerk desire to respond humbled yourself, I don't want to hear cry baby emoting...think before you respond. Pray before you ever hit that respond button else I don't want to hear it, and I'll be able to tell).
                My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                ? Yep

                Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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