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  • Originally posted by SatyamAbhidi View Post
    My words are not of depression.

    I enjoy this life knowing it is all for me.

    This is the point of Buddhism, along with other schools.

    I don't want heaven, there is bound to be the same cycles there as here.

    Hell will be the same, cycles on cycles.

    Buddha taught how to get out of that cycle.

    Now, if I end up in hell after, so be it, I will enjoy because circumstances matter not. It is the same if I am to go to heaven, fine.

    I will continue my practice until I cease there too.

    It doesn't matter how pretty a picture you try to paint for heaven, even the greatest possible scenario would be boring after a few hundred years.

    Same with hell, the greatest imagery of torture will just be normal after a time.

    While they are in stark contrast to each other, it is your reaction that creates the distinction. It is what you take with you into each moment that dictates your experience of it.
    you really are depressed

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    • for the OP - i know i am. i don't care about you guys. that's your deal, man. not my problem. hey, i'm safe, man. so i can just tell everybody why they are wrong. repent. i'm sorry, that was my split personality. i don't really mean that

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      • Originally posted by jamie View Post
        If a person is dead they can't move, they can't go anywhere on their own.
        So you believe man or woman has no spirit inside them?

        Mankind is made of flesh, of mind and spirit.

        You need to rethink your beliefs.

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        • Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
          there is much more Ben. after Jesus Is Risen, he came to Paul and revealed the Gospel of Grace. you can point to strictly teachings of the Law in Jesus' earthly ministry, it doesn't change the revelation to Paul. read it. soak it in -
          Revelation to Paul! How come Jesus' Apostles did not know about it? When Paul applied to join the Sect of the Nazarenes he was rejected by Jesus' Apostles for lack of qualifications to be a disciple. (Acts 9:26) That revelation must have been Paul's idea and he was not worth believing as he was addicted to lie to his heart's content.

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          • Jesus could have cared less about getting to heaven. That was a later theology overlaid on the word "salvation" which is something Jesus granted to others before his death on the cross.

            Bible study is actually "studying the Bible."

            Jesus preached the Kingdom of God in parables, not in propositional theology.
            He was focused on this earth, with the powers and principalities and the poor and the diseased and the misshapen.

            Our Father who art in Heaven...Your kingdom come, your will be done,
            ON EARTH, as it is in heaven....


            Heaven is just fine as it is. It's EARTH where the problems are.

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            • Originally posted by aikido7 View Post
              Jesus could have cared less about getting to heaven. That was a later theology overlaid on the word "salvation" which is something Jesus granted to others before his death on the cross.

              Bible study is actually "studying the Bible."

              Jesus preached the Kingdom of God in parables, not in propositional theology.
              He was focused on this earth, with the powers and principalities and the poor and the diseased and the misshapen.

              Our Father who art in Heaven...Your kingdom come, your will be done,
              ON EARTH, as it is in heaven....


              Heaven is just fine as it is. It's EARTH where the problems are.
              Every thing is fine but to my honest understanding, Jesus could not grant salvation to man himself. He said that if one goes to the Temple to plead for salvation and is suddenly reminded that he has an issue with his neighbor, he is to leave all behind and go to set things right with his neighbor first and only then return to his prayers. (Mat. 5:24)

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              • I could care less about getting to Heaven.

                When I die I believe it will either be the most greatest and awesome journey I will ever take.

                Or it will be absolutely nothing.

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                • Originally posted by aikido7 View Post
                  I could care less about getting to Heaven.

                  When I die I believe it will either be the most greatest and awesome journey I will ever take.

                  Or it will be absolutely nothing.
                  Believe me, it will be absolutely nothing and until your remains be reduced to nothing with time. There will be nothing left to do back in the world. The world is for the living and not for the dead.

                  Heaven is not a place to get into but a peaceful state of mind we are urged to adopt into ourselves. (Luke 17:21) That's what Jesus said. The Kingdom of Heaven is to be found within ourselves or among us in the world.

                  The grave is not a journey either that we take but that we are taken to. The problem with superstitious people is that they have a hard time to accept reality; the reality of detachment from this world when the time is due. It is nice to stick to life but we are not to worry too much about death. Death must come as birth came. The two are deeply connected naturally.

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                  • I am a non-christian but if heaven is where God (Th Creator) is than the answer is yes I am going to heaven.

                    Psalms 145:9 The Lord is good to all and his tender mercies are over all his works / Ecc. 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was and the spirit will return to God who gave it. / Psalms 136 "his mercy endureth forever"

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                    • Originally posted by bigbang123 View Post
                      I am a non-christian but if heaven is where God (Th Creator) is than the answer is yes I am going to heaven.

                      Psalms 145:9 The Lord is good to all and his tender mercies are over all his works / Ecc. 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was and the spirit will return to God who gave it. / Psalms 136 "his mercy endureth forever"
                      The reference to the spirit returning to God Who gave it is the same as the breath of life which is embellished with being a spirit. Even the expression, "will return to God Who gave it" is an embellishment for "It is gone." Now, for the body which returns to the earth is literal. BTW, the whole point is to explain the reality of death.
                      Last edited by Ben Masada; March 14, 2015, 01:30 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                        The reference to the spirit returning to God Who gave it is the same as the breath of life which is embellished with being a spirit. Even the expression, "will return to God Who gave it" is an embellishment for "Its is gone." Now, for the body which returns to the earth is literal. BTW, the whole point is to explain the reality of death.
                        The fact that we go to be with God is literal, too.

                        We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
                        "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

                        If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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                        • Originally posted by bigbang123 View Post
                          I am a non-christian but if heaven is where God (Th Creator) is than the answer is yes I am going to heaven.

                          Psalms 145:9 The Lord is good to all and his tender mercies are over all his works / Ecc. 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was and the spirit will return to God who gave it. / Psalms 136 "his mercy endureth forever"
                          "The spirit that returns to God" is only an embellishment for the breath of life that the Lord breathed into the nostrils of man when He formed him from the dust of the earth. (Gen. 2:7) Any thing akin to an emanation can be called a spirit.

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                          • Originally posted by Aimiel View Post
                            The fact that we go to be with God is literal, too.

                            We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
                            O my gosh! I hate to rain on your parade but, what can I say? I can't just keep strengthening your delusion. To be with God where? God is not restrict to a specific place. We are already with him if you can find a place in your mind for the concept that the universe is in God and not that God is in the universe.

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                            • Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
                              Every thing is fine but to my honest understanding, Jesus could not grant salvation to man himself. He said that if one goes to the Temple to plead for salvation and is suddenly reminded that he has an issue with his neighbor, he is to leave all behind and go to set things right with his neighbor first and only then return to his prayers. (Mat. 5:24)
                              go start setting things right with all those you've ever wronged, pack a suitcase. then you can pray -

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                              • Originally posted by patrick jane View Post
                                go start setting things right with all those you've ever wronged, pack a suitcase. then you can pray -
                                Well, if you do not agree, go take your case to Jesus. I gave you the quote. If indeed you have offended so many, probably that's what you gonna have to do.

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