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    If people pay really close attention putting all the Bible together and it’s very specific words, not cherry picking a few verses, there is no free will. If we had a good mathematician and He knew the prophecies in the Bible were true and could not be changed, that mathematician could determine we have no free will because with the billions of people and trillions of variables that are supposed to be free will as well like Satan and demons, choices people make, then all those people could will the prophecies to not come to pass. It’s really basic logic. Satan is controlled just like we are. Even our thoughts. We always hear Satan knows his time is short and wants to come down creating his beast government ruling through Antichrist. Well that is only gonna happen at the exact moment of the thousands of years history since the Bible is written because he and all other trillions of variables are controlled to come into the exact alignment God wants when He wants it. We are given instructions in bible like moral law as a general instruction making it appear we choose because if we knew we were just in a movie being played out the world would go crazy. Only God chooses who gets chosen elected called and saved(vessels of mercy and honor) and it always seems to be a “remnant” of people.

    The real truth is crazier than fiction. To show you how much you been lied to and far from truth the paradigm we are taught is in secular world and ALL mainstream Christian denominations, did you know there were giants hundreds of feet tall that walked the earth? You think Goliath was just some anomaly freak occurance or one of those genetic disorders? Or king Og? There were giants everywhere all over the earth before flood and after like Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch(Jesus quoted from book in the Bible) and other books speak of that are quoted in the Bible? There were genetic manipulations by the fallen angels making half man half animal creatures corrupting the gene pool and was why the flood happened. Bet that isn’t in your minds as the truth and is just crazy fiction. If there were giants hundreds of feet tall that has been suppressed but true, then what else is hidden from us that’s truth?

    Our God is in heaven: He does as He pleases.
    Psalm 115:3
    being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will
    ephesiabs 1:11
    ACCORDING TO GOD’S ETERNAL PURPOSE IN CHRIST. Eph 3:11
    ACCORDING TO HIS GOOD PLEASURE WHICH HE HATH PURPOSED IN HIMSELF. Ephesians 1:9.
    Proverbs 16:4
    4The LORD has made everything for His purpose—
    even the wicked
    Lamentations 3:37
    Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it?
    Proverbs 19:21
    Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand. (Meaning man thinks and it feels he is controlling his own life but actually God is controlling his and everyone else’s)



  • #2
    Greetings Lowly one,
    Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
    If people pay really close attention putting all the Bible together and it’s very specific words, not cherry picking a few verses, there is no free will. If we had a good mathematician and He knew the prophecies in the Bible were true and could not be changed, that mathematician could determine we have no free will … It’s really basic logic.
    God’s foreknowledge and wisdom does not eliminate the many choices that we are faced with and the actual decisions that we select.


    Kind regards
    Trevor

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
      did you know there were giants hundreds of feet tall that walked the earth? You think Goliath was just some anomaly freak occurance or one of those genetic disorders?
      LOL

      Hundreds of feet tall? Don't you mean Godzilla, rather than Goliath?





      What evidence do you have to support your claim that what you call "evidence" is evidence?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
        If people pay really close attention putting all the Bible together and it’s very specific words, not cherry picking a few verses, there is no free will. If we had a good mathematician and He knew the prophecies in the Bible were true and could not be changed, that mathematician could determine we have no free will because with the billions of people and trillions of variables that are supposed to be free will as well like Satan and demons, choices people make, then all those people could will the prophecies to not come to pass. It’s really basic logic. Satan is controlled just like we are. Even our thoughts. We always hear Satan knows his time is short and wants to come down creating his beast government ruling through Antichrist. Well that is only gonna happen at the exact moment of the thousands of years history since the Bible is written because he and all other trillions of variables are controlled to come into the exact alignment God wants when He wants it. We are given instructions in bible like moral law as a general instruction making it appear we choose because if we knew we were just in a movie being played out the world would go crazy. Only God chooses who gets chosen elected called and saved(vessels of mercy and honor) and it always seems to be a “remnant” of people.

        The real truth is crazier than fiction. To show you how much you been lied to and far from truth the paradigm we are taught is in secular world and ALL mainstream Christian denominations, did you know there were giants hundreds of feet tall that walked the earth? You think Goliath was just some anomaly freak occurance or one of those genetic disorders? Or king Og? There were giants everywhere all over the earth before flood and after like Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch(Jesus quoted from book in the Bible) and other books speak of that are quoted in the Bible? There were genetic manipulations by the fallen angels making half man half animal creatures corrupting the gene pool and was why the flood happened. Bet that isn’t in your minds as the truth and is just crazy fiction. If there were giants hundreds of feet tall that has been suppressed but true, then what else is hidden from us that’s truth?

        Our God is in heaven: He does as He pleases.
        Psalm 115:3
        being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will
        ephesiabs 1:11
        ACCORDING TO GOD’S ETERNAL PURPOSE IN CHRIST. Eph 3:11
        ACCORDING TO HIS GOOD PLEASURE WHICH HE HATH PURPOSED IN HIMSELF. Ephesians 1:9.
        Proverbs 16:4
        4The LORD has made everything for His purpose—
        even the wicked
        Lamentations 3:37
        Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it?
        Proverbs 19:21
        Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand. (Meaning man thinks and it feels he is controlling his own life but actually God is controlling his and everyone else’s)

        I perceive some wisdom in some of the things you said here. You seem to have grasped the Sovereignty of God in all things. That's good and somewhat rare.
        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

        Charles Spurgeon !

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        • #5
          Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

          I perceive some wisdom in some of the things you said here. You seem to have grasped the Sovereignty of God in all things. That's good and somewhat rare.
          God sovereignly chose you to speak falsehoods.

          Sovereignty is about AUTHORITY and not CONTROL.
          All of my ancestors are human.
          Originally posted by Squeaky
          That explains why your an idiot.
          Originally posted by God's Truth
          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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          • #6
            We get rid of one loon to pick up another one. Giants hundreds of feet tall? What have you been smoking?

            June is Gay Pride Month.Tolerance and diversity? ☞ More like tolerate perversity.☠

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            • #7
              Probable origins of these giant footprints:
              They are called by many Asians “Lord Hanuman’s Giant Footprints”. And are attributed to a giant monkey god - just as ludicrous and attributing them to giants hundreds of feet high. The footprints likely are carved monuments created by an Admiral or other figure to mark their having passed through the region. The carving is usually a single foot print to commemorate having stepped onto the region.

              June is Gay Pride Month.Tolerance and diversity? ☞ More like tolerate perversity.☠

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post

                LOL

                Hundreds of feet tall? Don't you mean Godzilla, rather than Goliath?

                He thinks that these "people" were hundreds of feet tall and YET their feet were only four feet long.
                All of my ancestors are human.
                Originally posted by Squeaky
                That explains why your an idiot.
                Originally posted by God's Truth
                Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
                  If people pay really close attention putting all the Bible together and it’s very specific words, not cherry picking a few verses, there is no free will. If we had a good mathematician and He knew the prophecies in the Bible were true and could not be changed, that mathematician could determine we have no free will because with the billions of people and trillions of variables that are supposed to be free will as well like Satan and demons, choices people make, then all those people could will the prophecies to not come to pass. It’s really basic logic. Satan is controlled just like we are. Even our thoughts. We always hear Satan knows his time is short and wants to come down creating his beast government ruling through Antichrist. Well that is only gonna happen at the exact moment of the thousands of years history since the Bible is written because he and all other trillions of variables are controlled to come into the exact alignment God wants when He wants it. We are given instructions in bible like moral law as a general instruction making it appear we choose because if we knew we were just in a movie being played out the world would go crazy. Only God chooses who gets chosen elected called and saved(vessels of mercy and honor) and it always seems to be a “remnant” of people.

                  The real truth is crazier than fiction. To show you how much you been lied to and far from truth the paradigm we are taught is in secular world and ALL mainstream Christian denominations, did you know there were giants hundreds of feet tall that walked the earth? You think Goliath was just some anomaly freak occurance or one of those genetic disorders? Or king Og? There were giants everywhere all over the earth before flood and after like Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch(Jesus quoted from book in the Bible) and other books speak of that are quoted in the Bible? There were genetic manipulations by the fallen angels making half man half animal creatures corrupting the gene pool and was why the flood happened. Bet that isn’t in your minds as the truth and is just crazy fiction. If there were giants hundreds of feet tall that has been suppressed but true, then what else is hidden from us that’s truth?
                  If all you say is precisely true, then who hid it from you? Who is keeping you (and the masses) from these earth-shattering secrets? What secret knowledge does the world lack? If everything is fatalistically controlled (like you are saying), then you must charge God with suppressing that knowledge. And while I wouldn't disagree that He hides knowledge and understanding from people, the way you are coming across is conspiratorially. You have a fearful way of expressing yourself - as though you are struggling with your awareness of whether or not you are free or being controlled (including all the information about giants and other quasi-occultic matters). The fact of the matter is, God holds us responsible for every thought, word and deed - "free will" or not. It isn't our job to figure out whether we are free to make choices or not. In fact, Paul seemed more than happy to be called a slave of Christ! That said, the way he comes across and the way this comes across are two different things (to my eyes, at least). It almost sounds like you are fighting against God. I can't say for sure that you are - but the way you come across certainly hints at that.

                  Originally posted by Lowly one View Post
                  Our God is in heaven: He does as He pleases.
                  Psalm 115:3
                  being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will
                  ephesiabs 1:11
                  ACCORDING TO GOD’S ETERNAL PURPOSE IN CHRIST. Eph 3:11
                  ACCORDING TO HIS GOOD PLEASURE WHICH HE HATH PURPOSED IN HIMSELF. Ephesians 1:9.
                  Proverbs 16:4
                  4The LORD has made everything for His purpose—
                  even the wicked
                  Lamentations 3:37
                  Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it?
                  Proverbs 19:21
                  Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand. (Meaning man thinks and it feels he is controlling his own life but actually God is controlling his and everyone else’s)
                  How about this one :

                  Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.
                  Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
                  And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
                  And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.
                  Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
                  And I will wait upon the Lord, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.

                  Isaiah 8:12-17

                  God's Sovereignty is a glorious thing - to them that fear Him.
                  If God promises life, He slayeth first; when He builds, He casteth all down first. God is no patcher; He cannot build on another's foundation. - William Tyndale

                  The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
                  Jeremiah 17:9

                  Who is among you that feareth the Lord, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the Lord, and stay upon his God.
                  Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

                  Isaiah 50:10-11

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                    I perceive some wisdom in some of the things you said here. You seem to have grasped the Sovereignty of God in all things. That's good and somewhat rare.
                    So true Brother, and for one to grasp the Sovereignty of God in all things is indeed somewhat rare.
                    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever;
                    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? - Psalm 42:2

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nanja View Post

                      So true Brother, and for one to grasp the Sovereignty of God in all things is indeed somewhat rare.
                      Sovereignty is about AUTHORITY and not CONTROL.
                      All of my ancestors are human.
                      Originally posted by Squeaky
                      That explains why your an idiot.
                      Originally posted by God's Truth
                      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

                        God sovereignly chose you to speak falsehoods.

                        Sovereignty is about AUTHORITY and not CONTROL.
                        Yeah right whatever you say!
                        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                        Charles Spurgeon !

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                          Yeah right whatever you say!
                          Your "god" is a puppet master... Mine is the God of the Bible.
                          All of my ancestors are human.
                          Originally posted by Squeaky
                          That explains why your an idiot.
                          Originally posted by God's Truth
                          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nanja View Post

                            So true Brother, and for one to grasp the Sovereignty of God in all things is indeed somewhat rare.
                            Amen!
                            "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                            preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                            called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                            a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                            Charles Spurgeon !

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                            • #15
                              Right Divider, the picture of the hundred footers is in the link. It didn’t go through the first time. The picture is taken from a airplane above Canada. Even the Indians there have oral tradition of the giants. Indians in America have oral tradition of the giants. Go to amazon and type in Genesis 6 to see all the books where they compiled all the newspaper stories in America in the 1800’s of people finding Giant skeletons all from 7 feet and taller all over America. How do you guys not read the Bible for what it says. When Israel came into the land it said they were terrified cause they were like grasshoppers compared to the giants. These were not some genetic deformity. Literal Angels came down and had sex with women. You say you believe the Bible. Well JESUS HIMSELF IN THE BIBLE QUOTED FROM THE BOOK OF ENOCH. And in Enoch he says the first generation of giants were over a hundred feet tall. And to say man carved out those giant footprints like fossils all over the world in the most remote locations is laughable to believe that. Bible says there were giants that walked the earth why don’t you believe it?

                              https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4309431

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