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    Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

    31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

    Israel alone was to keep the sabbath.

    There is no commandment given to the church, the body of Christ to observe the sabbath.

    The sabbath was a covenant. The covenants pertain only to Israel (Romans 9:4).

  • #2
    Originally posted by DougE View Post
    Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

    31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

    Israel alone was to keep the sabbath.
    HalleluYah His Spirit is pricking another...

    please read again Exodus 20:10 and realize that this commandment is the ONLY ONE that SPECIFICALLY includes the NON blood ISRAELITE...the stranger...

    Next read:


    https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topi...ded-In-The-Law

    All these texts include the non blood related to Abraham but by faith adopted grafted in people saved from Egypt...following a new God they believed on...

    So there you have it...both in the commandment itself and Yahushua affirming it with “the Sabbath was made for Man” not just jews but all who believe and become citizens of Israel...you man enough?

    oh and Isaiah prophecies this in chapter 66:23 ALL flesh will worship new moon to new moon Sabbath to Sabbath...

    so three witnesses are enough to establish a thing...the commandment itself including us...Isaiah concluding the end of it...and Yahushua affirming it is to ALL MAN...not just jews...


    There is no commandment given to the church, the body of Christ to observe the sabbath.
    then unlike you your rejection...why did Gentiles ask to hear the good news again the next Sabbath....Act 14:42

    why too did James conclude the Acts 15 council that these crowding gentiles would keep hearing Moses preached every Sabbath? Acts 15:29

    why do you claim as jews did desiring to stir up the people against Stephen that he taught Yahushua changed the customs Moses delivered? You claim the same as these slandering jews...Luke called this claim a FALSE WITNESS as Stephen was NOT teaching the customs Moses delivered was changed by Yahushua...Act 6:13-14 yours is a false witness...

    Had Paul taught the Sabbath was done away with then he could not have claimed Acts 24:12 because Jews would have killed him even for bringing a gentile nearer the Temple...imagine if was claiming Sabbath is over...done...destroyed...oh and we can eat cats bats and wombats...LOL

    Verse 13 nor could they prove that he did...no letters submitted no eyewitnesses...NOTHING to prove Paul taught the Sabbath was NO MORE...or NOT for the believing GENTILES...lol...that really made the jews mad...Paul was teaching the Sabbath WAS for gentiles NOT just for jews...that really mad them mad

    you think if Paul taught the Sabbath was done away or we could eat SWINE Pharisees would agree Acts 23:9

    you think if the apostles taught “the Sabbath is now destroyed and Israel can eat dog meat” zealous Jews would have agreed to Gamaliel’s advice to leave them alone? Acts 5:38-40

    Luke concludes the book of Acts with Paul in Rome persuading jews that Isaiah INDEED taught the Gentiles were to receive the Righteousness of Yah Acts 28:25-28 Do you suppose Paul left out Isaiah writing about from Sabbath to Sabbath ALL flesh will worship Him?


    The sabbath was a covenant. The covenants pertain only to Israel (Romans 9:4).
    IS a covenant still to Israel...and you reject being made citizens of Israel grafted in...in Him the new creation from both jew and gentile...JOINED...the inner jew of circumcised heart? You reject all that?

    How about woman? You reject her too? Made for man...before the fall...

    How about marriage...is marriage jewish...just for jews? that was instituted for man too...and before jews and before the fall just like the Sabbath...


    blood Israel was by ADOPTION ...from Jacob divinely ordained into Israel...spiritual...not by blood...is why adoption pertains to Israel as does the promise Romans 9:4....by faith...

    finish that chapter and see how believing Gentiles are to be included...as it was in OT...as per the Sabbath commandment specifically to the stranger...

    you no longer are a stranger but citizen of Israel...be grateful keep the House rules...His House rules...not man’s traditions that restored the wall between jews and goyim which He destroyed...

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    • #3
      I wonder what will happen to a Jew by blood if he lives with non-Jews and doesn't observe the Holy Sabbath as he is supposed to do.
      Sorry, after reading what I wrote (line above) I recalled that a Jew by blood has no right to live with non-Jews far from his community (unless he is in a special mission ).

      Anyway, I would be real surprised if Jesus whose message focuses on the Spirit (not of this world) advises me to also follow the sun and the moon and to have, therefore, a holy calendar (somehow like of my Muslims friends).
      Fortunately, He didn't surprise me

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      • #4
        Collossians 2:16-17
        16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ
        God is not a thing in the world.

        If history has taught us anything, it's that science has always been wrong.

        I thank God for shotguns.

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        • #5


          While I love fervor, Romans 10:2-3 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

          3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

          "Work's already been done, not good news, the best news ever, Some say 'Don't ask for help, God helps those who help themselves! So press on! Get it right! Otherwise get left behind!' Some say "He's keeping score, so try hard then try a little more!' Hold up, if this were true, explain to me what the Cross is SUPPOSED to do!?"

          Link full of O.T. that say "not just for Israel?" Every one of them says plainly "who live among you." NOT in fact every nation, ONLY the ones who live among them. Clear as day, except to those calling themselves 'Other.'
          My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
          Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
          Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
          Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
          No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
          Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

          ? Yep

          Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

          ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

          Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Huckleberry View Post
            Collossians 2:16-17
            16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ
            It's strange that those translators decided to use "substance" there instead of the literal "body".

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            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Huckleberry View Post
              Collossians 2:16-17
              16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ
              Two things:

              1) Do you notice the grammatical tense Paul used? He writes “which ARE a shadow of good things to come” and NOT “which WERE a shadow” the latter could easily be written in Greek if indeed all this was done away with...but Paul wrote these “ARE a shadow of good things to come”...even STILL...long after Yahushua’s ascension.

              2) Do you notice that the first “s“ in the sabbaths you bolded is NOT capitalized? Did you also notice that sabbaths you bolded is plural? These sabbaths would be the annual ceremonial sabbaths and not the weekly Sabbath.



              Perhaps this would help clarify what is going on here:

              https://www.cogwriter.com/news/churc...the-holy-days/

              Therefore, if all the translators were simply consistent with themselves, they would have translated Colossians 2:16-17 to state:

              16 Therefore let NO MAN JUDGE YOU in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; 17 for those things are a shadow of the things to come, BUT THE BODY OF CHRIST.



              https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%202:17

              Please note how many other translations acknowledge the “is” in “but the body [is] of Christ“ is indeed added.

              2:17 Which 3739 are 2076 5748 a shadow 4639 of things to come 3195 5723; but 1161 the body 4983 [is] of Christ 5547. KJV

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              • #8
                Originally posted by clefty View Post

                Two things:

                1) Do you notice the grammatical tense Paul used? He writes “which ARE a shadow of good things to come” and NOT “which WERE a shadow” the latter could easily be written in Greek if indeed all this was done away with...but Paul wrote these “ARE a shadow of good things to come”...even STILL...long after Yahushua’s ascension.
                I think the context is obvious. Neither does the use of "are" require the immediate recognition of the sabbath; sabbath keeping was still going on, else there'd be no need for this verse at all.

                Originally posted by clefty View Post
                2) Do you notice that the first “s“ in the sabbaths you bolded is NOT capitalized? Did you also notice that sabbaths you bolded is plural? These sabbaths would be the annual ceremonial sabbaths and not the weekly Sabbath.
                I guess it depends on which translation you use. Many capitalize the sabbath in Colossians 2:16. One does wonder, according to your view, why the high sabbath is done away with and not the weekly. And why Paul wouldn't explain this oddity.


                I'm curious, though. I must assume you're a proponent of keeping the sabbath law. If so, do you keep to the whole law and teach others to do so?
                God is not a thing in the world.

                If history has taught us anything, it's that science has always been wrong.

                I thank God for shotguns.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lon View Post

                  While I love fervor, Romans 10:2-3 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

                  3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
                  Funny how sore you are that you don’t even address me but everyone knows who you screeching at...lol

                  Yup blood Israel fell for works they (like you) ADDED to the law...or (like you) SUBTRACTED from it...Not the righteousness of Yah but with your every day sabbath rest...YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS...an addition to the Word exactly like that photo of the enmity Jews had of gentiles found in law of commandments contained in ordinances...were you able to read it?

                  It is so ironic that you ignorant of Yah’s righteousness claim the same as these self righteous false witnessing Jews claim: That Yahushua changed the customs Moses delivered to them Acts 6:13-14 Namely that the Sabbath was done away with...not for goyim...LOL

                  Blood Israel felt self righteousness came from adding purity laws even Yahushua broke or relaxing widow tithes...from even excluding the goyim and building walls of separation between Jews and goyim...which He tore down...but you RATHER put that wall up again claiming there is NO new one man of both Jews and gentiles JOINED in the kingdom of Israel...

                  In Romans 9 Hosea and Isaiah are quoted by Paul stating that Israel would fail and a new people would be His...and only a remnant of Israel you know “OTHER” not Jewish nor gentile would make it...prolly a people He would put His NOT NEW Law in their hearts and minds...a people with circumcised hearts the inner Jew...

                  What is the righteousness of Yah?...faith IN Him and then the faith OF Him which is an obedience to Him His Way His Faith

                  not adding or subtracting from His word...ask Eve...

                  Certainly by adding self purifying laws to make one self righteousness and exclude the goyim is NOT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of Yah...for Christ is the EndZone of the Law for righteousness to EVERYONE who believes Romans 10:4 and not just for self purifying Jews...

                  Paul continues chapter 10:12 for there is NO DISTINCTION between Jew and goyim for the same Lord over ALL is rich to ALL who call upon His name 13 for WHOEVER calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” See? not just self cleaning Jews...

                  Now you gonna tell me there is NO DISTINCTION between a people that keep the Sabbath and eat clean vs a people that rest everyday or Sunday power hour and then eat cat bat and wombat? LOL

                  IN HIM neither Jew nor gentiles but joined...one new man from the two...a citizen of Israel

                  Just like in the OT. Not by works but by belief and not to just Jews but WHOEVER calls On His name and in His house of prayer for ALL nations for ALL shall come worship SABBATH to SABBATH as per Isaiah...as it was in the sabbath commandment to the stranger in thy gates.




                  "Work's already been done, not good news, the best news ever, Some say 'Don't ask for help, God helps those who help themselves! So press on! Get it right! Otherwise get left behind!' Some say "He's keeping score, so try hard then try a little more!' Hold up, if this were true, explain to me what the Cross is SUPPOSED to do!?"
                  what is the cross supposed to do? Well...Just like the Passover you were passed over so now GRATEFULLY follow Him to the promised land...duh

                  Link full of O.T. that say "not just for Israel?" Every one of them says plainly "who live among you." NOT in fact every nation, ONLY the ones who live among them. Clear as day, except to those calling themselves 'Other.'
                  LOL you did note the gentiles were crowding INTO the synagogues and were told by James they were going to continue hearing Moses preached every Sabbath yes? Acts 15:21 maybe you noticed we are grafted into the trunk and not the trunk is grafted into us yes? How about we are adopted INTO Israel and NOT Israel is adopted into your Christlite every day rest?

                  Hey! did you ever stop your majority rules rants about man’s traditions and think that when that enmity against the goyim was destroyed (you know THAT PHOTO) and a new man was made from the two...which joined Jews and goyim...that this one new man WAS NOT a Jew? But a citizen of Israel?

                  And with NO DISTINCTION as the Sabbath was made for man...not just Jews...

                  a man with a circumcised heart...an inner Jew...

                  oh and ALL flesh will worship from Sabbath to Sabbath in His house of prayer for ALL nations ask Isaiah...

                  See? In Him we live among them after all...as citizens of Israel “OTHER” to the world and to Jews and Christlites...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Huckleberry View Post
                    I think the context is obvious.
                    most do not...most forget this letter was to gentiles coming into, being grafted into, becoming citizens of not by blood Israel and were learning the ways of the sect known as “the Way” Acts 24:14, 28:22

                    Neither does the use of "are" require the immediate recognition of the sabbath;
                    sure it does...because most read it as “was/were” and thus done away with...the same claim Jews charged poor Stephen with “For we have heard him say...Yahushua will...change the customs which Moses delivered to us” Acts 6:14 Luke called them false witnesses (verse 13) as poor Stephen was NOT teaching “these shadows “were” now done away with...”

                    sabbath keeping was still going on,
                    HalleluYah and not just by Jews but by His people Heb 4:9 and not just Sabbath but obviously Pentecost and Passover and the fall Atonement Acts 27:9 and not just Peter continued abstain from unclean foods...and as the Jerusalem Council Acts 15 concluded no strangled meat or with blood...Sabbath continuance affirmed by James verse 21

                    else there'd be no need for this verse at all.
                    sure is useful for MOST which use it to claim these shadows were done away with or NOT FOR US...the need if you understand as you do is to encourage these gentiles not to be swayed by their KEEPING “Jewish” ways...their fellow Gentile countrymen would ask why would they no longer ate swine? Also Jews who did NOT believe He abolished the enmity or destroyed the wall between Jews and goyim would NOT encourage these idolatrous goyim into keeping New Moons when gentiles had their own calendar...

                    Paul was instructing “let no one judge you...but the body of Christ”

                    and the following verse with “let no one defraud you” as Jews were becoming more gnostic superstitious into asceticism “worship of angels”

                    But yes from an early “superstitious Jewish cult“ as the Romans called them to becoming the official religion of the empire was a long and bitter divorce of gentiles from Jews. Two Sundays were celebrated in the first century ekklesia 1)First Fruits after Passover more popularly known as Easter and 2) Shavuot or Pentecost. Surely you know the anti Semitic struggle to even change the calendar to avoid these “Christ killing Jews”...“their Jewish ways” now obviously “WERE” shadows pointing to good things to come...but Paul did not write that...

                    Even the little non Roman council of Laodicea had to deal with sabbath keepers still in 364...Laodicea the irony Rev 3:17


                    I guess it depends on which translation you use. Many capitalize the sabbath in Colossians 2:16. One does wonder, according to your view,
                    you did agree “sabbath keeping was still going on”...

                    why the high sabbath is done away with and not the weekly.
                    the list of parties for Yah’s calendar year is found in Lev 23...the weekly Sabbath has pole position around the clock...it was Made Holy and enshrined in the 10 Words or descriptions or more popularly know as Decalogue or 10 commandments.

                    The other annual feasts to Israel include high holy days or days of awe. Scripturally there are 3 pilgrimage high holidays: Passover Pentecost Atonement. These are “no work day” holidays and include other “no work” days. Thus “high sabbaths” came to be known as these yearly festivals as well. It is from John 19:31 KJV that we get a high sabbath as it was Passover (high holiday) and ALSO the weekly Sabbath...so two parties on the same day is understood as a high Sabbath.


                    And why Paul wouldn't explain this oddity.
                    As shown earlier Paul did not have to explain the oddity of the annual sabbaths abrogated and the weekly Sabbath continued as they ARE a shadow of good things to come...still...in 2020...


                    I'm curious, though. I must assume you're a proponent of keeping the sabbath law. If so, do you keep to the whole law and teach others to do so?
                    I don’t keep it...break it all the time...is WHY I need Him...it keeps me though and pointed closer to and more like Him His ways...

                    ...can’t teach the unwilling LOL...wish I could but spend too much time dodging stones and dusting my sandals...

                    I do however attempt to teach those who realizing what was done for them to save them are so grateful they wish to, WANT TO, do something anything FOR Him...and which pleases Him...and shows the world they are not of it but an “OTHER” kingdom...namely HIS...according to His perpetual sign...and to live into that perpetuity...Isaiah 66:23

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KerimF View Post
                      I wonder what will happen to a Jew by blood if he lives with non-Jews and doesn't observe the Holy Sabbath as he is supposed to do.
                      Sorry, after reading what I wrote (line above) I recalled that a Jew by blood has no right to live with non-Jews far from his community (unless he is in a special mission ).

                      Anyway, I would be real surprised if Jesus whose message focuses on the Spirit (not of this world) advises me to also follow the sun and the moon and to have, therefore, a holy calendar (somehow like of my Muslims friends).
                      Fortunately, He didn't surprise me
                      you remind me of Pilate after hearing John 18:37...a real tough guy...a believer too as Romans were known for god men kings...quite a few running around then...even now lol...but just believing is not a follower of Him His way...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by clefty View Post

                        you remind me of Pilate after hearing John 18:37...a real tough guy...a believer too as Romans were known for god men kings...quite a few running around then...even now lol...but just believing is not a follower of Him His way...
                        Here is an analogy of believing versus doing.
                        Even if one studied and memorized 'all' scientific books (extreme case) and didn't (or couldn't) work on 'any' scientific project to take advantage of what he knows, only naïve persons see in him a Scientist who deserves being in the Realm of Science

                        Here is an analogy of school books versus most advanced studies.
                        Every professional scientist started to learn (when kid) from certain school books. But, after finishing his high studies, his school books become souvenirs; no more the sources of information which his projects may need.


                        God's first teachings (related to spiritual realm) that were addressed to ancient Jews (kids of humanity) are equivalent to a good school teachings (but related to physical realm instead).

                        Jesus teachings (related to spiritual realm) that were addressed to all humans are equivalent to the uppermost updated versions of scientific ideas (learnt in highest studies and related to physical realm).

                        Whoever has ears... he 'may' hear

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KerimF View Post

                          Here is an analogy of believing versus doing.
                          Even if one studied and memorized 'all' scientific books (extreme case) and didn't (or couldn't) work on 'any' scientific project to take advantage of what he knows, only naïve persons see in him a Scientist who deserves being in the Realm of Science

                          Here is an analogy of school books versus most advanced studies.
                          Every professional scientist started to learn (when kid) from certain school books. But, after finishing his high studies, his school books become souvenirs; no more the sources of information which his projects may need.


                          God's first teachings (related to spiritual realm) that were addressed to ancient Jews (kids of humanity) are equivalent to a good school teachings (but related to physical realm instead).

                          Jesus teachings (related to spiritual realm) that were addressed to all humans are equivalent to the uppermost updated versions of scientific ideas (learnt in highest studies and related to physical realm).

                          Whoever has ears... he 'may' hear
                          Nice very clever Pilate...you crucify logic as well...

                          When you were in primary school they taught you 2+2=4 right?

                          Also that C A T spells cat so far so good right?

                          Tell me

                          When you graduated from primary and all your fancy degrees and scholarly books did any of that change 2+2=4?

                          Or C A T spells CAT?

                          Did all your education change 2+2 into 5 or the color red or water?

                          Did all your fancy smart books tell you that C A T no longer spells CAT?

                          What MOST claim is that He changed Sabbath into every day any day or NOT FOR ME

                          and clean meats into eating cats bats and wombats is ok...

                          You see the error in you logic? It is not that it went from physical to spiritual but that it was CHANGED by the transference.

                          He never changes! What is taught in OT is demonstrated in the NT.

                          Do THAT what He demonstrated IF you Love Him...

                          The Law IS Spiritual BECAME MATERIAL as in a literal seventh day rest

                          Just as the WORD/LAW/SPIRIT become flesh at His birth.

                          FLESH PROFITS NOTHING it is the SPIRIT that gives life through the material and His Flesh.

                          So that One begotten in Spirit is reborn into flesh THAT WE born in the flesh MIGHT become begotten in the Spirit

                          You dare separate what He brought together?

                          As if the world came out of itself and not through His Spirit?

                          As if your Salvation came out of your flesh (lofty clever scholarly mind as it is) and not through His flesh of the Spirit.

                          2+2=4 no matter how many graduations you have. The law is written in your heart and mind. From Spiritual into flesh...and back again

                          The Sabbath remains seventh day no matter how many covenants are made and this law is written in the “circumcised hearts of the inner Jew”

                          Even Satan believes the Spirit became flesh and is Son of God King of Kings...but like you Pilate he does NOT follow Him His ways...

                          you may now wash your hands of this...lol...

                          not to be clean outwardly or inwardly but to be rid of this spiritually...and physically to return to your no rules love...
                          Last edited by clefty; June 24, 2020, 10:43 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KerimF View Post

                            Jesus teachings (related to spiritual realm) that were addressed to all humans are...
                            Oh that you really truly believed that...then you would observe what Yahushua taught:

                            “the Sabbath was made for man”...

                            An exercise of rest from spiritual to physical to return to spiritual and before man even needed it...


                            Whoever has ears... he 'may' hear
                            https://biblehub.com/romans/2-13.htm

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by clefty View Post
                              Nice very clever Pilate...you crucify logic as well...
                              When you were in primary school they taught you 2+2=4 right?
                              Also that C A T spells cat so far so good right?
                              Let us revise this a bit deeper:

                              Did we really learn at school that "two straights are parallel if they intersect at infinity"?

                              First, we were told: "Two straights are parallel if they don't intersect". Don't you remember it? But this definition is wrong

                              So, a few years later (always at school), it was corrected by adding: "... and are on the same plane".
                              The updated definition is enough for those who don't like going further in their studies.

                              But, geometry doesn't stop here. To work on any project which is related to perspective geometry, the notion of infinity has to be introduced (as on the first line above).

                              This example (there are many) shows clearly that even learning science (much easier than learning spiritual truths) has to follow a progressive process; step by step.

                              So I am sorry for not going on, as Jesus said to Nicodemus:
                              "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

                              Salut,

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