Human Free Will Responsible For Drowned Children In The Genesis Flood.

JAGG

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Many atheists unjustly accuse the God of the Bible of drowning children in the
Genesis Flood. They are wrong. The Flood was not God's fault, it was the fault
of fallen evil human beings. The likes of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel
Dennett, the late Christopher Hitchens, and Matt Dillahunty all accuse the God
of the Bible of drowning children during the Genesis Flood. Their false
accusations are all over the Internet.

God was right and just in drowning every living being during The Great Flood.
Why?

Because a vital part of the narrative of The Great Flood was the total wickedness
and murderous violence of the people living at the time of The Great Flood.

If atheists take any part of the Genesis narrative seriously, they have to take all
of it seriously.

The Genesis narrative says that God did drown all living beings at the time of The
Great Flood.

The Genesis narrative also explains WHY God made the decision to drown them.

Here is why:

"The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become and that every
inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time." Genesis 6:5

"Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence . . .for all the people
of earth had corrupted their ways" Genesis 6:11

Atheists take the narrative that God drowned them seriously and as being historically true.
Atheists then MUST ALSO take Genesis 6:5 and Genesis 6:11 seriously and as being
historically true -- which explains WHY God did what He did.

If atheists do NOT take the Genesis narrative that God drowned them as historically true,
then they should have no moral problem with God's actions.

If atheists DO also take Genesis 6:5 and Genesis 6:11 as historically true then they should
have no moral problem with God ---because again these verses explain why God brought
The Genesis Flood upon humanity.

Note again that the wickedness of man was great and that "every inclination of the thoughts
of his heart was only evil all the time", and that the earth "was corrupt and full of violence."

These people were not salvageable.

Total wickedness. Murderous violence.

And both of those ALL the time, not just some of the time.

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Free Will.

The Institution of Free Will.

Parents are morally responsible for what happens to their children when it is the
parents that make Free Will decisions to choose to do evil.

It was wholly the moral fault of the parents living at the time of The Great Flood
because it was THEY that made the decision to plunge into total wickedness
and murderous violence.

And to do that all the time . . . ALL the time.

Here is the principle:

The reality and presence of innocent children cannot void and nullify the Institution
of Free Will.

Therefore what parents choose to do, will determine what happens to their children.

For example, mothers who use their Free Will to choose to take harmful illegal drugs
during their pregnancies can expect their innocent babies to be born with serious
health problems. This is not God's fault. It is the mother's fault.

These mothers cannot say to God, "Please void out and nullify my Free Will because
I am carrying an innocent helpless human baby."

No, the mother is the one morally responsible for her Free Will decision to consume
harmful illegal drugs during her pregnancy.

Humans cannot point to their innocent children and say to God, "Do not punish me
for my total plunge into wickedness and murderous violence because if you punish
me, you will also harm my innocent children. Compare the total destruction of the
totally wicked Canaanites in the Old Testament --- commanded by God.

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Classic Historical Example Of This Free Will Principle:

Germany During World War ll

When Germany's parents made the social and political decision to follow Adolph
Hitler and embrace Nazism, they also made the decision to put their innocent
children at risk of serious harm. The parents of Germany could not say to
The Allies (or to God) do not try to put a stop to our Nazism because if you
do that, you will harm our innocent children. The Allies bombed German
cities and there was a lot of "collateral damage" done to innocent children.

Conclusion:

The drowning of the children at the time of The Genesis Flood was wholly
the immoral fault of the parents who lived at that time, and made the
Free Will decision to plunge into total wickedness and murderous violence.

And to do that ALL the time . . not just occasionally, but ALL the time.


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JAGG

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Speculation:

Regarding The Children Drowned in The Genesis Flood:

What follows in this post is pure 100% speculation and is NOT presented as an
argument or as being factually true.

What follows is nothing more than me speculating on what might have happened.
What follows carries no weight whatsoever.

Here we go:

We know that God is merciful and that He loves the human race and sent His Son
the Lord Jesus to die on a cruel cross to pay for the sins of the human race so they
could be redeemed.

1 John 4:16 "God is love."

John 3:16 "for God so loved the world"

So on Christian doctrine God loves the world. And therefore it is reasonable to
speculate on what this God who loves the world, might have done for those innocent
children during The Genesis Flood.

We do not know what God does in the unseen world. Maybe God took the souls of
the children out of their bodies before they drowned in The Great Flood, so they
did not have to endure the agony of being drowned.

If God did not do that, then maybe He gave the children special grace to bear the
drowning so that it was not a horrifying experience for them

If neither of the above is true, then the children experienced about 8 to 12 minutes
of drowning agony, after which they found themselves in the eternal happiness of
Heaven. On Christian doctrine God saves the souls of all children who have not
reached the age of moral accountability {whatever age that is, only God knows.}

Psalm 116:15 "Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints."

Why so? Because He takes them into Heaven to be with Him for all eternity.

God Bless.


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I assert that there were no children drowned in the Flood.
 

JAGG

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I assert that there were no children drowned in the Flood.

Miscellaneous Points:

{1} I have heard that argued before.

{2} I am on your side, which means I hope you can and will
present evidence to support your assertion, that rises to the
certainty-level of 2 + 2 = 4

{3} Or at least evidence that has a clear and obvious high
Probability of being true.

{4} I have yet to see any evidence that convinced me that it
was highly Probable that there were no children living at the
time of the Genesis Flood.

{5} Of course you may have some evidence that I have never
seen. I hope you do.

{6} It is highly reasonable and highly Probable and highly Plausible
to believe that the people living during the Genesis Flood were a
regular normal society of people like all other societies of people
that have new born babies and children of all ages, and teens,
and young adults to the very old.

{7} My view is that, to defeat {6} up there will require some solid
evidence that rises way above mere speculation or inference.

{8} There is a passage in the New Testament that strongly suggests
that there were children present during the Genesis Flood.

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son
of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and
drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah
entered
the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen
until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be
at the coming of the Son of Man."___Matthew 24:37-39
{a similar passage appears in Luke 17:26-27}

Note the particulars In {8}
{A} "As it was in the days of Noah"
{B} "For in the days before the flood"
{C} "people were . . . marrying and giving in marriage"
{D} "up to the day Noah entered the ark"

{9} A crucial question is this: Since they were marrying and giving
in marriage right up to the day that Noah entered the ark, why does
anyone think they were NOT having children?

{10} My view is -- it will be very difficult to defeat {6} and {8}
and {9} with speculation or inference.

{11} True, the Bible does NOT say there were children
present during the Genesis Flood.
Neither does the Bible say there were NOT children present.
during the Genesis Flood. But {6} and {8} and {9} seem to
enjoy a high level of Probability.

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But like I said, I am on your side. I hope you can eliminate the
need for the title of this thread -- I would love to be able
to say there is no longer any need for my Opening Post.




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