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  • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
    Liberals win: America to become Communist/Socialist

    1) By American standards, virtually all of her allies would be considered communist/socialist - Canada with which the US shares 5250 miles of common border has universal healthcare and a much more comprehensive system of social programs to reduce the inequality that exists within a capitalist economic systems!

    2) In the last 4 decades, starting with the Reagan Administration, the naked "greed" of America's 1% hasn't done the public acceptance of the "capitalist" system any favors as it undermined the middle class, sent millions of manufacturing jobs offshore and mismanaged the economy with subprime loans that triggered the 2008 Recession!

    3) The warning bells are already sounding with millenials that if "capitalism" expects to retain its special status as America's economic system of choice, it is essential that it lead by example, produce far more "winners" than "losers" and redistribute the private wealth of the nation in a more equitable manner!
    Idealism is dying. People are realizing that the government doesn't have to be 100% capitalist or 100% socialist with nothing in between. The government can allow free markets in some places, restrict other markets, or even own/control some markets, on a case-by-case basis. It has been doing so for years, it's just a matter of figuring out where the government is a help, and where it is a hindrance.

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    • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
      ... Canada ... has ... a much more comprehensive system of social programs ...

      for example?

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      • Originally posted by quip View Post

        "....It is about a standard I expect of myself.."

        Is this standard of yours comprised of qualifying expectation from the recipient?
        In the sense that any of us put our $$$ where our mouth is? Yes. Talk, and sentiment aren't worth anything, really. Just time-wasting dialogue unless the rubber hits the road, It'd be hypocritical otherwise, for all of us.
        My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
        Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
        Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
        Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
        No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
        Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

        ? Yep

        Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

        ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

        Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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        • Originally posted by Wick Stick View Post
          Idealism is dying. People are realizing that the government doesn't have to be 100% capitalist or 100% socialist with nothing in between. The government can allow free markets in some places, restrict other markets, or even own/control some markets, on a case-by-case basis. It has been doing so for years, it's just a matter of figuring out where the government is a help, and where it is a hindrance.
          The real danger comes in millennials assuming that Trump represents capitalism. If that's not corrected, expect a socialist America in a couple of decades.

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          • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
            The real danger comes in millennials assuming that Trump represents capitalism. If that's not corrected, expect a socialist America in a couple of decades.
            Trump likes to frame himself as a capitalist, but in reality he represents nationalism. That's the pillar upon which he stands, and was elected. If there was another candidate who took up nationalist interests as an issue, and was even halfway normal, people would leave Trump to flock there in droves. Regardless of party.

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            • Originally posted by Wick Stick View Post
              ... in reality he represents nationalism.

              is there anything wrong with being a nationalist?

              are you proud of America and what she's done?

              are you proud to be an American?

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              • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                is there anything wrong with being a nationalist?
                Nationalism is a good thing when used in moderation. It's healthy and necessary for nations to compete for resources. Nationalism can become unhealthy when one side decides that rather than competing for resources, they will just eliminate the competition, which inevitably leads to war.

                I presently have no issues with the nationalist stance taken by Mr. Trump. I am a big fan of ending free trade agreements. I see tariffs on foreign imports as a necessary measure that governments use to protect the interests of their constituents.

                On the other hand, I have many issues with Mr. Trump in other areas. Basically every time he opens his mouth.

                I wish their was a(nother) candidate that represented my interests, without being such a tool.

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                • Originally posted by Wick Stick View Post
                  I presently have no issues with the nationalist stance taken by Mr. Trump. I am a big fan of ending free trade agreements. I see tariffs on foreign imports as a necessary measure that governments use to protect the interests of their constituents.
                  me too - I was wondering if I was misreading you

                  On the other hand, I have many issues with Mr. Trump in other areas. Basically every time he opens his mouth.

                  well, he is from New York City - they're not known for thinking before speaking

                  or voting, as evidenced by my Governor and our 30 year old idiot Congresswoman

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                  • Originally posted by Wick Stick View Post
                    Idealism is dying. People are realizing that the government doesn't have to be 100% capitalist or 100% socialist with nothing in between. The government can allow free markets in some places, restrict other markets, or even own/control some markets, on a case-by-case basis. It has been doing so for years, it's just a matter of figuring out where the government is a help, and where it is a hindrance.
                    "Pervading nationalism imposes its dominion on man today in many different forms and with an aggressiveness that spares no one. The challenge that is already with us is the temptation to accept as true freedom what in reality is only a new form of slavery."
                    - Pope John Paul II
                    The 1% which controls the levers of power in America want a "government" that's big enough to protect their privileged position, but not big enough to protect the average American from their predatory practices!







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                    • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                      The 1% which controls the levers of power in America want a "government" that's big enough to protect their privileged position, but not big enough to protect the average American from their predatory practices!
                      So you're saying you're a rule-socialist?

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                      • Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                        from New York City - they're not known for thinking before speaking

                        or voting, as evidenced by my Governor and our 30 year old idiot Congresswoman
                        My Condolences.

                        My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                        Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                        Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                        Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                        No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                        Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                        ? Yep

                        Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                        ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                        Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                        • Some have asked for more verification that students are becoming socialists:

                          One student from Indiana University, Daniel Di Martino, seeing the socialism of his fellow students, addressed them:

                          "It is really surprising that it is 70 percent of young people supporting a system like this - the one that I had to flee my country from," Di Martino said.

                          He said Millennials and Gen Z's need to understand that free things have a cost.

                          "Their cost is our freedom. In Venezuela, the cost is through shortages and high inflation," he explained.

                          He says one reason for the "astonishing" poll results [is] a lack of truthful education (and one where the professors and hiring board are socialist with socialism agendas, rarely discussed or realized).

                          "It is unacceptable that one in ten Millennials or one in ten Gen Zers - people who are even younger than Millennials - think that Donald Trump has committed more human rights violations than Hitler or Stalin," Di Martino explained. "That means schools are not teaching about the Holocaust and are not teaching about the starvation in the Soviet Union..."

                          For more
                          My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
                          Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
                          Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
                          Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
                          No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
                          Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

                          ? Yep

                          Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

                          ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

                          Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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                          • Originally posted by Lon View Post
                            Some have asked for more verification that students are becoming socialists:

                            One student from Indiana University, Daniel Di Martino, seeing the socialism of his fellow students, addressed them:

                            "It is really surprising that it is 70 percent of young people supporting a system like this - the one that I had to flee my country from," Di Martino said.
                            Di Martino is from Venezuela. I seriously doubt that Millennials/Gen Z admire the socialism of Maduro all that much. If they do, they are woefully uninformed. I suspect that it is more the democratic socialism of Nordic countries that they support.

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                            • Originally posted by User Name View Post
                              Di Martino is from Venezuela. I seriously doubt that Millennials/Gen Z admire the socialism of Maduro all that much. If they do, they are woefully uninformed. I suspect that it is more the democratic socialism of Nordic countries that they support.
                              Interesting wiki article. Did you read it, though? I'm staring down these quotes and trying to reconcile them with your post...

                              The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership.
                              In a speech at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Danish Prime Minister Lars L√łkke Rasmussen addressed the American misconception that the Nordic model is a form of socialism, stating: "I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy"

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                              • Originally posted by Wick Stick View Post
                                Interesting wiki article. Did you read it, though? I'm staring down these quotes and trying to reconcile them with your post...
                                That's why I tried to distinguish the economies of Scandinavian countries from the economic model of Venezuela by using terms like "democratic socialism" and "Nordic model." "Virtually all democratic socialists have distanced themselves from the economic model long synonymous with socialism (i.e., a nonmarket, centrally planned economy) [...] Some have endorsed the concept of market socialism, a postcapitalist economy that retains market competition but socializes the means of production and, in some versions, extends democracy to the workplace."

                                "The idea of social democracy is now used to describe a society the economy of which is predominantly capitalist, but where the state acts to regulate the economy in the general interest, provides welfare services outside of it and attempts to alter the distribution of income and wealth in the name of social justice." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

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