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  • Originally posted by quip View Post
    So? Who are you to judge who's worthy or not; or in what manner your efforts may be appreciated or respected ...if at all? All your efforts may only help but one...unseen and that is a task well done.. It's only your ego which desires accolades. Get over yourself.
    I don't think that was his motivation. I'm pretty sure Lon realizes that Jesus didn't say "help those who deserve it", but instead told us to help those who need it.

    And I'd be very surprised if he was unaware that Jesus said those who get accolades for helping others, have already gotten their reward.

    I often disagree with Lon,but I think he has this one right. BTW, I had situation like that, recently, and I missed it:

    Mrs. B and I were at a fried chicken place, eating lunch. There was this very seedy-looking character just sitting there, two tables away. He was young, in his 20s, small and skinny, dirty with dirty and ragged clothes, nursing a coke.

    I didn't finish my meal, and was going to toss one piece of chicken, when he said, "if you aren't going to eat that, can I have it?"

    He looked awful enough that I put off going to the restroom because I didn't want Mrs. B there without me. I handed him the plate and said "Sure. Take it."

    Caught me off guard. Driving away, I realized that I should have gone back and bought him a meal. Maybe he didn't deserve it, and just begged when he could be working. But I realized that Jesus didn't say "feed the hungry, if they deserve it."

    I just missed it that time.

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    • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
      I don't think that was his motivation. I'm pretty sure Lon realizes that Jesus didn't say "help those who deserve it", but instead told us to help those who need it.

      And I'd be very surprised if he was unaware that Jesus said those who get accolades for helping others, have already gotten their reward.

      I often disagree with Lon,but I think he has this one right. BTW, I had situation like that, recently, and I missed it:

      Mrs. B and I were at a fried chicken place, eating lunch. There was this very seedy-looking character just sitting there, two tables away. He was young, in his 20s, small and skinny, dirty with dirty and ragged clothes, nursing a coke.

      I didn't finish my meal, and was going to toss one piece of chicken, when he said, "if you aren't going to eat that, can I have it?"

      He looked awful enough that I put off going to the restroom because I didn't want Mrs. B there without me. I handed him the plate and said "Sure. Take it."

      Caught me off guard. Driving away, I realized that I should have gone back and bought him a meal. Maybe he didn't deserve it, and just begged when he could be working. But I realized that Jesus didn't say "feed the hungry, if they deserve it."

      I just missed it that time.
      Maybe, to be honest I don't know Lon.
      But I know the type....the type that believes one must be morally deserving of their esteemed graciosity. If this is not Lon then it may be directed at the other.

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      • Originally posted by quip View Post

        So? Who are you to judge who's worthy or not; or in what manner your efforts may be appreciated or respected ...if at all? All your efforts may only help but one...unseen and that is a task well done.. It's only your ego which desires accolades. Get over yourself.
        Not accolades and not bragging. I'm simply applying where the rubber meets the roads. The action is the thing and I'm a hypocrite if I don't share it, at least by the vision of the other such that the comment, while losing my proverbial crown, is not about the accolade at all. It is about a standard I expect of myself. The crown? At this point, I'm not concerned about "well done good and faithful servant" as I am about the doing of the thing: Meeting an actual need of another human being. Sentiment is fine, voting conscience is what we do, but where the rubber meets the road is always in the doing of the thing. I simply have to state, openly, I'm not a hypocrite. My money and sacrifice are indeed where my mouth is. If I get grief for seemingly 'bragging' or God opposed me for my pride, it is still a necessary evil. We simply don't talk about our charity because it seems to cheapen it, but I'd like to see more than ice buckets over the head on Facebook.

        There comes a time, and I think appropriately in this thread (and others) where talk is cheap and so, bragging (not the intent, ever) or rather where action is taking place, I think needs to be talked about. In that, I know what I do with $ and I know what churches and organizations I support do to help as well.
        My New Years Resolution: 1 Peter 3:15
        Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
        Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
        Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
        No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
        Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

        ? Yep

        Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

        ... when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. Titus 3:10 Ephesians 4:29-32; 5:11

        Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

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        • Originally posted by Lon View Post

          Not accolades and not bragging. I'm simply applying where the rubber meets the roads. The action is the thing and I'm a hypocrite if I don't share it, at least by the vision of the other such that the comment, while losing my proverbial crown, is not about the accolade at all. It is about a standard I expect of myself. The crown? At this point, I'm not concerned about "well done good and faithful servant" as I am about the doing of the thing: Meeting an actual need of another human being. Sentiment is fine, voting conscience is what we do, but where the rubber meets the road is always in the doing of the thing. I simply have to state, openly, I'm not a hypocrite. My money and sacrifice are indeed where my mouth is. If I get grief for seemingly 'bragging' or God opposed me for my pride, it is still a necessary evil. We simply don't talk about our charity because it seems to cheapen it, but I'd like to see more than ice buckets over the head on Facebook.

          There comes a time, and I think appropriately in this thread (and others) where talk is cheap and so, bragging (not the intent, ever) or rather where action is taking place, I think needs to be talked about. In that, I know what I do with $ and I know what churches and organizations I support do to help as well.
          "....It is about a standard I expect of myself.."

          Is this standard of yours comprised of qualifying expectation from the recipient?

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          • Originally posted by User Name View Post
            ...taxes are high, but they get what they pay for: Nordic Countries Continue To Rank High In Happiness, While America Falls
            Do you really think that because we have a great deal more murderers living in the United States, which is why we can't be on average as happy as countries who are blessed with fewer murderers, that somehow Americans are responsible for that? You hold it against Americans, that we have more murderers living here? You think that's our fault, that we deserve to not be as happy as those who live near the arctic circle? How is having more murderers our fault? Which box did I tick to cause more murder in the US than in many other liberal democracies? Why is this because of Americans?
            "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

            @Nee_Nihilo

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            • Originally posted by Idolater View Post
              Do you really think that because we have a great deal more murderers living in the United States, which is why we can't be on average as happy as countries who are blessed with fewer murderers, that somehow Americans are responsible for that? You hold it against Americans, that we have more murderers living here? You think that's our fault, that we deserve to not be as happy as those who live near the arctic circle? How is having more murderers our fault? Which box did I tick to cause more murder in the US than in many other liberal democracies? Why is this because of Americans?
              Who else could it possibly be?

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              • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                I saw the following in an article today....I need to find it...

                Taxation, by definition, requires violence against someone who chooses not to pay the tax, a peaceful act that violates no one’s rights.
                The one type of tax I completely loathe and despise the most is the property tax. Why do I have to pay a tax on my own property?! I own it. Not the fricking state. What am I? A serf?!
                Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

                What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

                I will do you, let's see, goofy, wacky, and to the left side of the bell curve
                . -Ktoyou

                I'm white. I'm not black. I can't convert to being black. It doesn't matter how much I want to become black. I could listen to rap and date fat white women all day; for all that, I'll still remain white.- Traditio

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                • Originally posted by quip View Post

                  Who else could it possibly be?
                  The murderers.
                  "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                  @Nee_Nihilo

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                  • Originally posted by The Berean View Post

                    The one type of tax I completely loathe and despise the most is the property tax. Why do I have to pay a tax on my own property?! I own it. Not the fricking state. What am I? A serf?!
                    It always comes down to "who pays for the sewers, the police, the fire department, etc.?"

                    Thing is, municipalities have started charging fees for things like sewer and trash removal. Maybe they ought to expand that, and add fees for fire and police protection, just like a water bill, adjusted for the size of the property to be protected, covering every government service in place of property taxes.

                    I suspect the price would be higher, but at least you'd be paying according to use. When this country was young, fire protection was optional; you could subscribe for a fee to have your buildings protected.

                    In Rome, I'm told that there were commercial fire fighters, who would show up at your burning house and offer to buy it at a steep discount. If you sold, they'd put the tire out. The original fire sale.

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                    • Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                      The murderers.
                      what the nordic countries don't have:

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                      • Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                        The murderers.
                        To keep on topic, I'm sure you meant AMERICAN murderers.

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                        • Originally posted by quip View Post

                          To keep on topic, I'm sure you meant AMERICAN murderers.
                          So to further keep on topic, why should Americans be blamed for American murderers who live in America, and not in Scandinavia, and who prevent Americans from being as happy on average as people who live with far fewer murderers? Do you think that countries with more murderers than other countries could possibly be as happy as countries with fewer murderers? I don't see how that could be possible. To me it seems impossible, unless a country has a greater proportion of sociopaths also. Along with murderers. I could see a country with both more murderers and more sociopaths being measured as happier than you would expect, given more murderers, but not without more sociopaths, since people who aren't sociopaths would be unavoidably less happy living with more murder, than people living with less murder. I'm sure you're understanding that the relationship between murder and happiness is inversely proportional, with the more the murder, the less the happiness. And so Scandinavians who don't suffer with as many murderers as the United States does, has an obvious advantage in how happy they are on average, all things considered.
                          "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                          @Nee_Nihilo

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                          • Originally posted by The Berean View Post

                            The one type of tax I completely loathe and despise the most is the property tax. Why do I have to pay a tax on my own property?! I own it. Not the fricking state. What am I? A serf?!
                            Um, well yeah....sorry, but we all are.
                            The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                            • Liberals win: America to become Communist/Socialist

                              1) By American standards, virtually all of her allies would be considered communist/socialist - Canada with which the US shares 5250 miles of common border has universal healthcare and a much more comprehensive system of social programs to reduce the inequality that exists within a capitalist economic systems!

                              2) In the last 4 decades, starting with the Reagan Administration, the naked "greed" of America's 1% hasn't done the public acceptance of the "capitalist" system any favors as it undermined the middle class, sent millions of manufacturing jobs offshore and mismanaged the economy with subprime loans that triggered the 2008 Recession!

                              3) The warning bells are already sounding with millenials that if "capitalism" expects to retain its special status as America's economic system of choice, it is essential that it lead by example, produce far more "winners" than "losers" and redistribute the private wealth of the nation in a more equitable manner!








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                              • Originally posted by drbrumley View Post

                                Um, well yeah....sorry, but we all are.
                                Serf's up!

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