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  • Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    So, a woman can play the field, get pregnant, and then decide she is inconvenienced by the coming child so just kill it is the solution. She has no responsibility to the child, just to her own self. That's pure selfishness and pure immorality. Of course she has a responsibility for the life she helped bring into existence. To say her only thought should be of herself is very revealing as to your personal ethics/morality. Or rather your lack of personal ethics/morality. You who preached empathy at me has zero empathy for the truly helpless. All you care about is that a woman might be inconvenienced due to the choices she made and if that inconvenience can be removed by murder, kill the kid.

    It's really interesting to see you reveal your own moral depravity and your disregard for human life. The fact that you think it's more immoral that woman be held accountable for her own actions than for her to murder her own child shows a complete lack of morality on your part.
    Re: above.
    _/\_

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    • Originally posted by quip View Post
      Re: above.
      So lack of morality on your part means we are making emotional arguments. LOL. You've made yourself quite clear. You have no consideration for human life. You think that being held accountable for a person's actions is more immoral than murder. I got ya.
      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
      ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

      “One and God make a majority.”
      ― Frederick Douglass

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      • Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
        So lack of morality on your part means we are making emotional arguments. LOL. You've made yourself quite clear. You have no consideration for human life. You think that being held accountable for a person's actions is more immoral than murder. I got ya.
        Ahhh...The (presumptuous) ad hom tactic. Fail: guilt by association fallacy. Didn't we cover the 'choice' issue a few post back? Meh. How quickly reason gets abandoned by way of emotion.
        _/\_

        Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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        • Originally posted by quip View Post
          Ahhh...The (presumptuous) ad hom tactic. Fail: guilt by association fallacy. Didn't we cover the 'choice' issue a few post back? Meh. How quickly reason gets abandoned by way of emotion.
          Reason your way past this, if you can - human life begins at conception

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          • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
            Reason your way past this, if you can - human life begins at conception
            Who's denying that?
            You seem to be implying some impassioned precept, which is not a rational position but rather a conveniently biased declaration.

            While conception of this life begins in a woman's womb.

            It takes two to tango. Use your power of ratiocination to accept this fact.
            _/\_

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            • Originally posted by quip View Post
              Ahhh...The (presumptuous) ad hom tactic. Fail: guilt by association fallacy. Didn't we cover the 'choice' issue a few post back? Meh. How quickly reason gets abandoned by way of emotion.
              Haven't you learned yet that your position is completely untenable? I associated you with abortion? LOL. You've made multiple posts defending the position that it is more immoral for a woman to be held accountable for her actions than it is to murder her own child. And that is my associating you with abortion and a lack of ethics/morality? That has to be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen anyone make. The evidence is all over this thread that you have placed your own self in association with abortion/murder. Any guilt by association is of your own making.

              Just how stupid do you think people are? Did you really think that you arguing for abortion for the last few hours wouldn't be noticed by anyone and you could just make any old claim you wanted? Well, you probably did as evidenced by the outrageous claims you've made over the last few hours.
              “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
              ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

              “One and God make a majority.”
              ― Frederick Douglass

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              • Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
                Haven't you learned yet that your position is completely untenable? I associated you with abortion? LOL. You've made multiple posts defending the position that it is more immoral for a woman to be held accountable for her actions than it is to murder her own child. And that is my associating you with abortion and a lack of ethics/morality? That has to be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever seen anyone make. The evidence is all over this thread that you have placed your own self in association with abortion/murder. Any guilt by association is of your own making.

                Just how stupid do you think people are? Did you really think that you arguing for abortion for the last few hours wouldn't be noticed by anyone and you could just make any old claim you wanted? Well, you probably did as evidenced by the outrageous claims you've made over the last few hours.
                You can do better than provocative language and a straw man.
                _/\_

                Christians: "I - a stranger and afraid - in a world I never made.." -- Houseman

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                • Originally posted by Lon View Post
                  Agree, but with no other stats,
                  In the last 47 years, there's voluminous data, with many millions of pregnancies,each a data point. So we can be very sure.

                  you've no history in which to compare thus we cannot write our own.
                  I doubt if you could find a historian who wouldn't consider a half-century to be enough for a history.

                  We can look at it in the scope of historical abortions but it has only been wide-open since the 80's.
                  Roe vs. Wade was 1973, and there is history in some states before that. And of course data from other nations as well.

                  There is a difference from inference vs. history
                  History is data and inference is what we learn from it.

                  and again, we don't get to write it.
                  A half-century seems like a lot of history to me, given the mass of data we have from those decades.

                  It is always given in hindsight and by others.
                  History is written by the winners, only much later do we second guess them.

                  The debate here isn't over observance, but rather what fits the definition of historic.

                  History of the Gulf War

                  Since the Arab oil embargo of 1974, Western states have attempted to find alternatives to their growing dependence on imported oil. However, the West did a better job of negotiating regional security arrangements to protect the leading sources of oil imports than it did in finding substitutes. With the fall of the Shah of Iran and the Iranian hostage situation, the West lost its only regional military base. This loss caused an increased risk that the Gulf could be dominated by a radical anti-Western power (Cordessman 1-2). When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the West moved quickly and decisively to strike down the enemy that would threaten its allies and deprive it of its supply of oil.

                  https://www.freeonlineresearchpapers...story-gulf-war

                  Historians would be puzzled by your assertion.

                  https://www.nrlc.org/abortion/history/

                  There have been several generations in the past half-century.

                  Next of Kin as far as I've ever heard. I've officiated enough of these to know you can write it by your life, but your kin will write it regardless.
                  Walking in several national cemeteries, I see a lot of them written by the deceased.

                  I do thank you for your service, but that isn't where my heart and life are for my own epitaph. I'm aiming for something higher.
                  Perhaps, some of them wanted to say something for their families. My personal favorite: "Don't wreck my truck."
                  Last edited by The Barbarian; October 23rd, 2019, 06:49 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
                    So many words, so little reality.
                    He's just trying to get attention, again. No one takes him seriously, even people who agree with him.

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                    • Originally posted by quip View Post
                      ...How quickly reason gets abandoned by way of emotion.
                      Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                      Reason your way past this, if you can - human life begins at conception
                      Originally posted by quip View Post
                      Who's denying that?
                      if you're not denying that, you're denying the value of that human life


                      Originally posted by quip View Post
                      You seem to be implying some impassioned precept ...
                      is that what you seem to be imagining that I'm doing?

                      Originally posted by quip View Post
                      which is not a rational position but rather a conveniently biased declaration.
                      strawman

                      Originally posted by quip View Post
                      While conception of this life begins in a woman's womb.
                      now you're getting it!

                      Originally posted by quip View Post
                      It takes two to tango.
                      and?

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                      • Originally posted by quip View Post
                        Well, if you were privy regarding the context betwee doser and I you would realize this was sarcasm.
                        Um yeah, well, I meant that response for doser. Yeah, that's it!

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                        • that's the way I read it

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                          • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                            if you're not denying that, you're denying the value of that human life
                            No. The woman in question is making that call...I believe in her moral right to do so.









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                            • Originally posted by quip View Post
                              No. The woman in question is making that call...I believe in her moral right to do so.









                              :
                              but you deny her the "moral right" to make the call of devaluing the life of her colicky infant and walking away from it



                              let's examine this "moral right" you've invented

                              from my perspective, it's the "moral right" to end a human life, before birth or after birth

                              how do you define it?

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                              • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                                but you deny her the "moral right" to make the call of devaluing the life of her colicky infant and walking away from it



                                let's examine this "moral right" you've invented

                                from my perspective, it's the "moral right" to end a human life, before birth or after birth

                                how do you define it?
                                Her right to bodily autonomy. Your account purposefully disregards this key distinction.
                                _/\_

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