annabenedetti
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No, I don't want a police state. The police are over-militarized as it is, and that's worrisome. I want separation of church and state and all constitutional rights afforded to us. That's not too much to ask.
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No, I don't want a police state. The police are over-militarized as it is, and that's worrisome. I want separation of church and state and all constitutional rights afforded to us. That's not too much to ask.
The first one to mention a theocracy is you, Anna.
They're "over-militarized" because, in case you haven't noticed, there's a warzone on the streets of America.
Means nothing. It's just an appeal to popularity.
annabenedetti
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No, they're over-militarized because they were the recipients of a lot of military equipment from the Iraq war.
annabenedetti
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I don't have the requisite blind spot.
.... And are now putting it to use against the criminals on our streets, but they have to put up with people like you ranting about "over-militarization."
What, you want our police to go up against today's criminals with muskets and bayonets?
:rotfl:
My point is that NO ONE HERE has said anything about a theocracy, other than you, because no one here is advocating one.
It's a blatant straw man argument.
annabenedetti
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Laugh away. There was a time when conservatives would be appalled by this. What's happened to them?
annabenedetti
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I don't know if you realize how often you use claims of fallacy to stand in for your argument whether they're useful, accurate, or necessary. When you advocate for replacing Constitutional law with God's law, what else are you going to call it but theocracy?
Why bother with formalities - even if they're no more than a facade -. Just gather an ad hoc, mob infested tribunal and have a satisfying roast!
ok doser
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ok doser
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Constitutional law calls for long, drawn out justice and endless appeals to avoid execution of sentence?
I certainly hope so!
Thus? .....
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With violent crime dropping dramatically in the last 30 years, I don't think so.
Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century. The two most commonly cited sources of crime statistics in the U.S. both show a substantial decline in the violent crime rate since it peaked in the early 1990s. One is an annual report by the FBI of serious crimes reported to police in approximately 18,000 jurisdictions around the country. The other is an annual survey of more than 90,000 households conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which asks Americans ages 12 and older whether they were victims of crime, regardless of whether they reported those crimes to the police.
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Property crime has declined significantly over the long term. Like the violent crime rate, the U.S. property crime rate today is far below its peak level. FBI data show that the rate fell by 50% between 1993 and 2017, while BJS reports a decline of 69% during that span. Property crime includes offenses such as burglary, theft and motor vehicle theft, and it is generally far more common than violent crime.
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Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data. Opinion surveys regularly find that Americans believe crime is up nationally, even when the data show it is down.
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There are large geographic variations in crime rates. The BJS data don’t allow for specific geographic comparisons, but the FBI data show big differences from state to state and city to city. In 2017, there were more than 600 violent crimes per 100,000 residents in Alaska, New Mexico and Tennessee. By contrast, Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont had rates below 200 violent crimes per 100,000 residents.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/03/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/
ok doser
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With violent crime dropping dramatically in the last 30 years, I don't think so.
Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century. The two most commonly cited sources of crime statistics in the U.S. both show a substantial decline in the violent crime rate since it peaked in the early 1990s. One is an annual report by the FBI of serious crimes reported to police in approximately 18,000 jurisdictions around the country. The other is an annual survey of more than 90,000 households conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which asks Americans ages 12 and older whether they were victims of crime, regardless of whether they reported those crimes to the police.
...
Property crime has declined significantly over the long term. Like the violent crime rate, the U.S. property crime rate today is far below its peak level. FBI data show that the rate fell by 50% between 1993 and 2017, while BJS reports a decline of 69% during that span. Property crime includes offenses such as burglary, theft and motor vehicle theft, and it is generally far more common than violent crime.
...
Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data. Opinion surveys regularly find that Americans believe crime is up nationally, even when the data show it is down.
...
There are large geographic variations in crime rates. The BJS data don’t allow for specific geographic comparisons, but the FBI data show big differences from state to state and city to city. In 2017, there were more than 600 violent crimes per 100,000 residents in Alaska, New Mexico and Tennessee. By contrast, Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont had rates below 200 violent crimes per 100,000 residents.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/03/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/
While gun ownership rates have skyrocketed?
How can that be?
I notice you didn't actually answer my question.
Anna, do you think our police, let alone our military, should be adequately equipped to deal with crime, and then have each individual LEO be able to safely go home at the end of their work day?
What does that have to do with anything?
I call out fallacies because they don't hold up to logic, and on a discussion board, logic is good, fallacies are bad. Fallacies also often lead away from God.
There's an actual term for it. It's not theocracy.
It's called "theonomy" (from the greek words theos, God, and nomos, laws).
I am a THEONOMIST, I advocate having laws that reflect God's Law.
So please stop using the "You want a theocracy" straw man. Because we don't. God will eventually establish a theocracy, but that won't happen until the end of the world.