Mueller turns up the heat on impeachment

Fred Eans

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Just a suggestion; people have difficulty learning what God would have them, without cluttering their mind with a has been tool of the Liberals. The reason for Mr. M is to take up space and time, like you and I are now doing. Thank you. Fred Eans
 

Town Heretic

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So, you're the one that made the argument that Muler is a good guy because of his having a purple heart
It demonstrates courage and devotion to duty outside of the rhetorical.

and I demonstrate how foolish that reasoning is
A declaration isn't a demonstration. It's a stump speech.

and you claim my reasoning is stupid?
Another thing you're making up then.

I guess honesty isn't one of your better attributes.
Looks like reason isn't your strong suit, though you're demonstrably aces at throwing stones.

Mueller was involved in a case in New York where 3 guys were railroaded into jail because the FBI wanted to protect Whitey Bulger, a mass murderer. Mueller wrote letters saying those guys needed to stay in jail because they were guilty, and he knew they weren't.https://www.newsmax.com/politics/alan-dershowitz-mueller-political-zealot/2018/04/08/id/853235/
At least your proffering something to consider now.

An allegation by Alan Dershowitz? And what action was taken and sustained against Muller in a court of law?

That's just more allegation on the same story about Whitey. This time we have accusations from Louie Gohmert.

Louie Gohmert, who is essentially a wind sock for the far right with a propensity to believe and speak some curious notions. Here are a few nuggets by former birther believing Representative Gohmert:

On the Court.
"The Supreme Court said…‘We are your God. Forget what God, Moses, Jesus ever said, we are your God now, the five of us in the majority, you do as we tell you.’ We have two of them [Ginsburg and Kagan] who had done same-sex marriages before they participated, they were disqualified, but they illegally participated, it’s an illegal decision, and it’s time to start impeaching judges and remove them from the Supreme Court.”

On guns control and gay marriage.
”I had this discussion with some wonderful, caring Democrats earlier this week on the issue of, well, they said ‘Surely you could agree to limit the number of rounds in a magazine, couldn’t you? How would that be problematic?’…

And I pointed out, well, once you make it ten, then why would you draw the line at ten? What’s wrong with nine? Or eleven? And the problem is once you draw that limit ; it’s kind of like marriage when you say it’s not a man and a woman any more, then why not have three men and one woman, or four women and one man, or why not somebody has a love for an animal?

There is no clear place to draw the line once you eliminate the traditional marriage and it’s the same once you start putting limits on what guns can be used, then it’s just really easy to have laws that make them all illegal.”


On homosexuals in the military.
“I’ve had people say, ‘Hey, you know, there’s nothing wrong with gays in the military. Look at the Greeks.’ Well, you know, they did have people come along who they loved that was the same sex and would give them massages before they went into battle. But you know what, it’s a different kind of fighting, it’s a different kind of war and if you’re sitting around getting massages all day ready to go into a big, planned battle, then you’re not going to last very long.”

On terrorism and immigration...
”I talked to a retired FBI agent who said that one of the things they were looking at were terrorist cells overseas who had figured out how to game our system. And it appeared they would have young women, who became pregnant, would get them into the United States to have a baby. They wouldn’t even have to pay anything for the baby. And then they would turn back where they could be raised and coddled as future terrorists. And then one day, twenty…thirty years down the road, they can be sent in to help destroy our way of life.”

So, he has a history of saying all sorts of things.

Echoes on literally the same (and so far only) charge against Muller. One that, to my knowledge, was never taken seriously enough by anyone for it to see the inside of any courtroom.

That's it? :plain:
 

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It demonstrates courage and devotion to duty outside of the rhetorical.


A declaration isn't a demonstration. It's a stump speech.


Another thing you're making up then.


Looks like reason isn't your strong suit, though you're demonstrably aces at throwing stones.


At least your proffering something to consider now.

An allegation by Alan Dershowitz? And what action was taken and sustained against Muller in a court of law?


That's just more allegation on the same story about Whitey. This time we have accusations from Louie Gohmert.

Louie Gohmert, who is essentially a wind sock for the far right with a propensity to believe and speak some curious notions. Here are a few nuggets by former birther believing Representative Gohmert:

On the Court.


On guns control and gay marriage.


[/FONT][/COLOR]On homosexuals in the military.


On terrorism and immigration...


So, he has a history of saying all sorts of things.


Echoes on literally the same (and so far only) charge against Muller. One that, to my knowledge, was never taken seriously enough by anyone for it to see the inside of any courtroom.

That's it? :plain:


So, these guys were showing their sterling qualities of character too? https://listverse.com/2017/07/04/10-infamous-killers-who-were-decorated-servants-of-uncle-sam/ They were decorated vets too.... And the mafia worked very closely with the army on operation husky. In fact the invasion of Italy would most likely have failed without their help. Does that show great character and honesty?

You can be awarded a purple heart for a wound that can be treated with a band aid. It is no reliable identifier of courage or bravery like the Silver or Bronze stars, or the Medal of Honor are. Anyone who is awarded one of those medals is courageous. A purple heart? meh. It's basically meaningless as regards to any qualities of character. All you have to do to "earn" it is be injured. That doesn't mean much. You can get shot running from a battle and still be awarded a purple heart because you were injured. That doesn't mean all recipients of it are bad guys, it just means it's an unreliable indicator of good character.

I have to laugh at your Louie Gohmert quotes. That you think they prove anything is hilarious as far as I'm concerned. That you don't understand the implications of homosexuality and all the transgender baloney as to their negative impacts on society doesn't say much for your reasoning capacity or your understanding of human nature. You swallow the political arguments hook, line, and sinker coming from those out to destroy the US. You have been led around by the nose and consider yourself a deep thinker. It doesn't get much sadder than that.

As to your assertion that Muler must be a good guy because he hasn't been prosecuted, it makes me laugh. The most successful criminals don't get prosecuted for a variety of reasons like having political connections, using blackmail on cops and judges, etc.... The Clintons have a string of around 50 bodies behind them and they haven't been indicted yet. Bill had his own medical examiner in Arkansas who would make determinations such as death from cancer when the subject's head was missing, or two teenages committed suicide and then wrapped themselves up in a tarp and laid themselves on the railroad tracks afterwards. Or how about the right handed guy who committed suicide by shooting himself behind his left ear. Or the guy who committed suicide by shooting himself 6 or 7 times in the chest. It's ironic just how painful it is to be a Clinton associate when people went to those extremes just to get away from them. I can give you many examples just like the ones I've mentioned here, and yet Bill and Hillary have never been indicted. Or, how about Hillary turning $1000 into $100,000 in a years time by making "investments"? Or how about their Whitewater investments where Clinton used state funds, equipment, and employees to build roads into his personal property to increase its value? These are matters of historical fact, as is the fact that old Billy Bob used Arkansas State troopers to take him to extramarital trysts. Yeah, not getting indicted is such a reliable indicator of being a real good guy....
 

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The use of veterans by the right is really peculiar. But the alliance is issue/tissue deep.

I remember being in an online discussion (not here) with a far, far rightist who said he would spit on a current member of the armed forces who had publicly spoken out in favor of reasonable gun control in the wake of the Stoneman Douglas school shooting.

Muller was put in an impossible position, but I think he's made it as clear as he can that Congress needs to step in here.

I was hoping for more from Mueller, but I'm not going to turn on him because I do believe he was, the entire way, trying to fulfill his duty to country as he has in many other ways in his lifetime. I'm counting on the House now, but I'm not holding my breath.
 

annabenedetti

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From Kristin Phillips on Twitter:

The Justice Department has released transcript of a voicemail from Trump's lawyer [John Dowd] to Flynn's attorney [Rob Kelner] that, as Flynn told Mueller's prosecutors, "could have affected his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation."

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Town Heretic

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So, these guys were showing their sterling qualities of character too? https://listverse.com/2017/07/04/10-infamous-killers-who-were-decorated-servants-of-uncle-sam/ They were decorated vets too....
The argument isn't that in the face of contrary evidence we should override our intellect and think the best. The argument is that the evidence at hand speaks to courage and devotion to duty, with nothing (unlike your link) to speak against it.

You can be awarded a purple heart for a wound that can be treated with a band aid.
Name the recipients of that award who qualify by that distinction. Or did you just make it up to sully a thing and then, indirectly, a former soldier of the United States? Here's what I know about the purple heart: it's a combat decoration. If you understand what that means you'll stop what you're doing and shake head at yourself.

All you have to do to "earn" it is be injured.
In combat.

That doesn't mean much.
You should walk into your local VFW and let them know.

... it's an unreliable indicator of good character.
In the absence of contrary evidence it is evidence of character, of courage, of fidelity, no matter how often you spit on the medal.

I have to laugh at your Louie Gohmert quotes.
Everyone should. . . Well, except for the people in his district.

That you think they prove anything is hilarious as far as I'm concerned.
Then people should laugh at your concern.

That you don't understand the implications of homosexuality and all the transgender baloney as to their negative impacts on society doesn't say much for your reasoning capacity or your understanding of human nature.
That you speak to a thing without any real understanding of what you're talking about says you're consistent in your methodology.

Here come a few more examples:
You swallow the political arguments hook, line, and sinker coming from those out to destroy the US.
Supra.

You have been led around by the nose and consider yourself a deep thinker.
Supra.

It doesn't get much sadder than that.
We can at least agree on that point, if not as you mean it.

As to your assertion that Muler must be a good guy because he hasn't been prosecuted
You have a bad memory to boot, because that's not what I said. I've said that your attacks are unsubstantiated horsefeathers, that the actions you're willing to believe in are the sort that end in a courtroom. You're so far from rational when it comes to him you've resisted the proper spelling of his name...that's...brother...

, it makes me laugh.
You laugh a lot for someone who doesn't come across as particularly happy. :plain:

The most successful criminals don't get prosecuted for a variety of reasons
Neither do unicorns.

The Clintons have a string of around 50 bodies behind them
Ah, you're that far down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole then. It explains a lot. You're a deep state guy. . . do you believe in flat earth too? I'm wondering how many of those are on your bulletin board.

and they haven't been indicted yet.
Translation: you've bought into a politically motivated fantasy that no sane prosecutor has advanced, that people who would benefit greatly by its successful prosecution, who are empowered to move the matter, have instead given the old hoo-ha.

Good luck with that. :e4e:
 
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So, on the one side you have Democrats: Now the murderers of full grown babies after birth, admitted socialists, the promoters of perversions like transgenderism and gay marriage, suppressors of free speech on college campuses, and everything else bad with America.

Then you have Trump, a snarky tweeter to be sure, but a man who has given us the lowest unemployment numbers in 50 years, now up to 3.2 GDP which Obama said was impossible, bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, and was even voted Pro Life person of the year by Operation Rescue.

And we have buffoon and a fool who started this thread who prefers the former and wants to impeach the latter.

Is there any more clear example of blind hate and ignorance, and Trump Derangement Syndrome than that?


SLAM DUNK. And add this, it says "And we have buffoon and a fool who started this thread who prefers the former and wants to impeach the latter", I would add, impeach him for what!! He has committed no high crimes and misdemeanors. So impeach him for what. Just gonna'make up more lies to impeach him? This sick hate from the freak Left is destroying this country


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FLASHBACK: MUELLER HAS LIED BEFORE, JUST ASK HIM ABOUT WMD’S

https://newrightnetwork.com/2018/12/mueller-has-lied-before-wmd.html/

Before the Russian Investigation and before the notorious Uranium One deal with Russia, Robert Mueller was the FBI Director involved in the United States’ claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Classified as WMD’s, these weapons are defined by the U.S. Military as: “Chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons capable of a high order of destruction or causing mass casualties and exclude the means of transporting or propelling the weapon where such means is a separable and divisible part from the weapon.” The claim, supported by intelligence gathered by Mueller, was that Saddam Hussein, the then-Iraqi President, had weapons of mass destruction and was bent on using those against his own people. This intelligence recommendation was the basis of our beginning the Iraq War on March 20, 2003. In a C-SPAN archive, we can hear then-FBI Director Mueller testify before Congress as to the supposed WMD’s only two days before the war began. Do you believe it was an integral testimony in the decision to start the war? You can watch the video below:

 

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From Kristin Phillips on Twitter:

The Justice Department has released transcript of a voicemail from Trump's lawyer [John Dowd] to Flynn's attorney [Rob Kelner] that, as Flynn told Mueller's prosecutors, "could have affected his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation."

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I think the best thing that can happen is if more and more people get a look at exactly what Muller found and how the principles conducted their business.
 

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Former White House staffers Hope Hicks and Annie Donaldson have been instructed by the White House not to comply with the House Judiciary Committee’s subpoenas to turn over documents related to their time in President Donald Trump’s administration.

But former White House communications director Hope Hicks says she will still hand over documents related to Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, according to the House Judiciary Committee.

Donaldson was former White House counsel Don McGahn’s chief of staff. Her notes are heavily cited in special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia report.​
 

annabenedetti

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House votes to enforce Barr and McGahn subpoenas

The vote keeps Democrats squarely on a meticulous investigative track favored by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other top leaders — and away from the formal impeachment inquiry that some 60 rank-and-file Democrats and several 2020 presidential candidates have been seeking.

Still, the House vote reflects the frustration among Democrats with Trump’s unwillingness to cooperate with congressional investigators who argue they have a constitutional right to examine the executive branch.

“This is a dark time. This Congress is being tested — in this case, not by a foreign adversary, but by our own president,” said House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern (D-Mass.), adding that Trump’s blanket policy of not complying with congressional subpoenas makes “Richard Nixon look like an Eagle Scout.”

In fact, shortly before the House vote, a new clash erupted between the administration and Congress. Barr said he will ask Trump to assert executive privilege to shield documents on the administration’s decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census if the House Oversight Committee moved ahead Wednesday on holding Barr in contempt.
 
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