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  • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Of course they were undermined ...
    if you want to call it that, fine

    but why change what's clearly written in scripture?

    scripture says they were "convicted by their own conscience"

    there's a richness of language there - what do you suppose that means in the context of first century scribes and pharisees?

    and with a few simple words.
    a few simple words that you want to interpret through the lens of 1700 years of Catholic/Protestant dogma instead of considering the context in which they were spoken and received

    They certainly weren't very clever either.
    well, they were lawyers

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    • [MENTION=7959]WizardofOz[/MENTION]'s prediction:
      Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
      Marriage rates would plummet to nearly zero.
      my response:
      Originally posted by ok doser View Post
      this one doesn't pass the sniff test for me - when my wife and i married, we married for love, we married forever, we married because we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together, we wanted to raise a family, build a home together, grow old together - it never occurred to us to plan for the opportunity to ruin that by cheating
      artie moves the goalposts:
      Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
      ...lots of folk would simply not bother getting married ....


      so we go from WoO predicting that virtually no one would risk getting married, to artie, inexplicably interjecting and arguing against something else

      go away artie, i was responding to WoO

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      • Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
        If adultery was a capital crime, hardly anyone would get married, ever.

        Adultery is a capital crime in Iran and Somalia

        Do you have any indication that marriage rates in either of those countries is nearly zero?



        Adultery was a capital crime in ancient Israel

        Seems to me the Bible mentions weddings and married folk

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        • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
          [MENTION=7959]WizardofOz[/MENTION]'s prediction:

          my response:

          artie moves the goalposts:



          so we go from WoO predicting that virtually no one would risk getting married, to artie, inexplicably interjecting and arguing against something else

          go away artie, i was responding to WoO


          What "goalposts" are being moved? If Wiz says that the marriage rate would plummet to nearly zero and I'm saying that lots of folk wouldn't risk getting married then myself and Wiz are on the same page. Your personal anecdote is entirely irrelevant. If you want me to "go away" then don't quote me or respond.
          Well this is fun isn't it?

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          • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
            Adultery is a capital crime in Iran and Somalia

            Do you have any indication that marriage rates in either of those countries is nearly zero?



            Adultery was a capital crime in ancient Israel

            Seems to me the Bible mentions weddings and married folk
            Well shouldn't we be glad that we don't live in countries that practice such barbarism then?

            https://www.uscirf.gov/news-room/pre...-year-old-girl
            Well this is fun isn't it?

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            • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
              Well shouldn't we be glad that we don't live in countries that practice such barbarism then?
              hard to say

              live in a country that's awash in perversion and immorality or live in a country that recognizes perversion and immorality as undesirable and takes effective steps to suppress it

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              • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                if you want to call it that, fine

                but why change what's clearly written in scripture?

                scripture says they were "convicted by their own conscience"

                there's a richness of language there - what do you suppose that means in the context of first century scribes and pharisees?
                It's not "changing" anything. They tried to spring a trap, said trap was undermined and they were convicted one by one to shuffle off.

                a few simple words that you want to interpret through the lens of 1700 years of Catholic/Protestant dogma instead of considering the context in which they were spoken and received
                You're the one trying to interpret stuff here and change "without sin" to a specific one of perverting the law.

                well, they were lawyers
                Well this is fun isn't it?

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                • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                  hard to say

                  live in a country that's awash in perversion and immorality or live in a country that recognizes perversion and immorality as undesirable and takes effective steps to suppress it
                  Well, the stoning to death of thirteen year old girls is absolutely perverse and immoral so you should be grateful you live in a country that wouldn't remotely tolerate it.
                  Well this is fun isn't it?

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                  • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                    .. If Wiz says that the marriage rate would plummet to nearly zero ...
                    ... then he's guessing and the examples of countries like iran and somali prove him wrong

                    ... and I'm saying that lots of folk wouldn't risk getting married ....

                    ... then you're guessing too and the examples of countries like iran and somalia prove you wrong

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                    • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                      Well, the stoning to death of thirteen year old girls is absolutely ...
                      ... inconsequential when it comes to affecting marriage rates

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                      • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                        ... then he's guessing and the examples of countries like iran and somali prove him wrong




                        ... then you're guessing too and the examples of countries like iran and somalia prove you wrong

                        Yeah, cos these countries really respect their women and they just sooo have the same rights as men. That thirteen year old child was raped by three men according to Amnesty International and what voice did she have? None, as with most women and children in backwards societies like that. The stoning of this young, helpless girl was pathetic and sickening beyond words.
                        Well this is fun isn't it?

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                        • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                          It's not "changing" anything. They tried to spring a trap ...

                          scripture says "6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him."

                          , said trap was undermined
                          scripture doesn't say that


                          and they were convicted one by one to shuffle off.
                          and scripture doesn't say that either

                          why change what scripture clearly says?


                          You're the one trying to interpret stuff here and change "without sin"

                          how do you interpret "without sin"?


                          to a specific one of perverting the law.
                          later in the passage, He gives the woman an impossible command regarding sin, impossible if we use your interpretation

                          if we use mine, He gives her a reasonable command

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                          • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                            ... inconsequential when it comes to affecting marriage rates

                            In countries like that, quite possibly considering how women are regarded and treat. Other here, whole different ball game.
                            Well this is fun isn't it?

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                            • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                              ... The stoning of this young, helpless girl .....

                              ...had no apparent effect on marriage rates

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                              • Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                                In countries like that, quite possibly considering how women are regarded and treat. Other here, whole different ball game.


                                artie: "making adultery a capital crime will make marriage rates plummet!"
                                dozer: "here's two countries that prosecute adultery as capital crime and their marriage rates aren't affected"
                                artie: "they don't count!"


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