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  • #61
    This latest brouhaha over President Trump’s threat to declare a national emergency in order to build a border wall is more manufactured political theater, a Trojan Horse intended to camouflage the real threat to our freedoms: yet another expansion of presidential power exposing us to constitutional peril.

    This is not about illegal immigration or porous borders or who will pay to build that wall.

    This is about unadulterated power and the rise of an “emergency state” that justifies all manner of government tyranny in the so-called name of national security.

    The seeds of this present madness were sown more than a decade ago when George W. Bush stealthily issued two presidential directives that granted the president the power to unilaterally declare a national emergency, which is loosely defined as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.”

    Comprising the country’s Continuity of Government (COG) plan, these directives (National Security Presidential Directive 51 and Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20), which do not need congressional approval, provide a skeletal outline of the actions the president will take in the event of a “national emergency.”

    Mind you, that national emergency can take any form, can be manipulated for any purpose and can be used to justify any end goal—all on the say so of the president.

    This is exactly the kind of mischief that Thomas Jefferson warned against when he cautioned, “In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

    John Whitehead
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    • #62
      This threat by Trump to rule by fiat merely plays into the hands of those who would distort the government’s system of checks and balances and its constitutional separation of powers beyond all recognition.

      Apart from the fact that this highly politicized, shamelessly contrived border crisis does not in any way constitute a national emergency, to allow such a manufactured emergency to override constitutional constraints and the rule of law will push the nation that much closer to outright totalitarianism.

      To be clear, this is not a criticism of Trump or a disavowal of the need for better vigilance at the nation’s border.

      Rather this is a word of warning.

      Remember, these powers do not expire at the end of a president’s term. They remain on the books, just waiting to be used or abused by the next political demagogue.

      So, too, every action taken by the Trump administration to weaken the system of checks and balances, sidestep the rule of law, and expand the power of the president makes us that much more vulnerable to those who would abuse those powers in the future.

      No matter whether you consider Trump to be a demagogue or a die-hard patriot, there will come a day when Trump no longer occupies the White House, and then what?

      We’ve been down this road before.
      The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
        Please note, my point has nothing to do with is it technically legal for him to do it.......
        I think somebody forgot that they said this.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
          This threat by Trump to rule by fiat ....
          How is him exercising his legal powers a threat to rule by fiat? You just told a lie.

          As was noted earlier, in 2012, Obama declared a national emergency entitled, "Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen" in order to freeze the assets of anyone perceived to be negatively impacting a political transition in Yemen. In 2014 he issued a national emergency referred to as "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine," which similarly locked the assets of those thought to be undermining democratic processes in Ukraine.

          Trump has declared three national emergencies so far. One centers on creating penalties for individuals around the world who are involved in human rights abuses. Another penalizes individuals involved in perpetuating violence in Nicaragua. And another imposes sanctions on foreign entities who seek to interfere in American elections.

          After all those declarations, did you post that these presidents were ruling by fiat? Or are you just suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
            This latest brouhaha over President Trump’s threat to declare a national emergency in order to build a border wall is more manufactured political theater, a Trojan Horse intended to camouflage the real threat to our freedoms: yet another expansion of presidential power exposing us to constitutional peril.

            This is not about illegal immigration or porous borders or who will pay to build that wall.

            This is about unadulterated power and the rise of an “emergency state” that justifies all manner of government tyranny in the so-called name of national security.

            The seeds of this present madness were sown more than a decade ago when George W. Bush stealthily issued two presidential directives that granted the president the power to unilaterally declare a national emergency, which is loosely defined as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.”

            Comprising the country’s Continuity of Government (COG) plan, these directives (National Security Presidential Directive 51 and Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20), which do not need congressional approval, provide a skeletal outline of the actions the president will take in the event of a “national emergency.”

            Mind you, that national emergency can take any form, can be manipulated for any purpose and can be used to justify any end goal—all on the say so of the president.

            This is exactly the kind of mischief that Thomas Jefferson warned against when he cautioned, “In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

            John Whitehead
            Yup. And democrats are already talking about using this "emergency" power to ram gun control or climate change legislation down our throats. Republicans cheers now while Democrats whine but the tables will be turned with the next democrat president. And it all causes the government to be more authoritative over us. It's a good cop/bad cop routine and these partisan hacks are too short sighted to see it unfold right before their eyes.
            “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

            ― Theodore Roosevelt

            Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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            • #66
              Originally posted by TrumpTrainCA View Post
              How is him exercising his legal powers a threat to rule by fiat? You just told a lie.
              Oh look. CatholicCrusader has a sock account. How cute.
              “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

              ― Theodore Roosevelt

              Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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              • #67
                Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                Yup. And democrats are already talking about using this "emergency" power to ram gun control or climate change legislation down our throats. Republicans cheers now while Democrats whine but the tables will be turned with the next democrat president. And it all causes the government to be more authoritative over us. It's a good cop/bad cop routine and these partisan hacks are too short sighted to see it unfold right before their eyes.
                yep, TrumpTrainCA will be the first to start whining when a democratic despot starts doing it....

                The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                  So, too, every action taken by the Trump administration to weaken the system of checks and balances, sidestep the rule of law, and expand the power of the president makes us that much more vulnerable to those who would abuse those powers in the future.

                  No matter whether you consider Trump to be a demagogue or a die-hard patriot, there will come a day when Trump no longer occupies the White House, and then what?

                  We’ve been down this road before.


                  “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                  ― Theodore Roosevelt

                  Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TrumpTrainCA View Post
                    I think somebody forgot that they said this.
                    How so?
                    "Repubs must not allow [The President] to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Donald Trump

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                    • #70
                      Im no Coulter fan, but she laid into him...

                      Ann Coulter: ‘The Only National Emergency
                      February 16, 2019


                      Is That Our President Is An Idiot.’
                      The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                        Yup. And democrats are already talking about using this "emergency" power to ram gun control or climate change legislation down our throats. Republicans cheers now while Democrats whine but the tables will be turned with the next democrat president. And it all causes the government to be more authoritative over us. It's a good cop/bad cop routine and these partisan hacks are too short sighted to see it unfold right before their eyes.
                        I've seen it over and over again, one side decrying the other's expansion of power but you NEVER see them giving up that power once they become the party in power.
                        "Repubs must not allow [The President] to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Donald Trump

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
                          I've seen it over and over again, one side decrying the other's expansion of power but you NEVER see them giving up that power once they become the party in power.
                          Nope, not ever....

                          Power corrupts,

                          absolute power corrupts absolutely...
                          The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                            Nope, not ever....

                            Power corrupts,

                            absolute power corrupts absolutely...
                            Much as I know it is not going to happen, this is the reason Congress needs to respond to this now with a veto-proof majority to override the declaration and update the Emergency Powers Act to include a required approval from Congress.
                            "Repubs must not allow [The President] to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Donald Trump

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
                              I've seen it over and over again, one side decrying the other's expansion of power but you NEVER see them giving up that power once they become the party in power.
                              The two party system is playing everyone who gets wrapped up in this partisan tribalism.
                              “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                              ― Theodore Roosevelt

                              Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                                The two party system is playing everyone who gets wrapped up in this partisan tribalism.
                                Indeed!!!!!
                                The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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