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  • Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Since the LORD began resting on the seventh day and He was still resting in the first century then the day of His rest was much longer that 24 hours.
    Or the "day of rest" was just the day after He finished creating the universe. There seems to be no need to place a duration on such a description. It would be like saying: "I finished baking this cake on Thursday last week, and my finish has lasted nearly a week so far."

    He is still resting according to the author of the book of Hebrews.
    It's been about 6,000 years since the day He stopped creating.
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
    E≈mc2
    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
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    • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
      Have you conceded that the Bible teaches "six days"?
      Quite the opposite - why would God create a world which included the fossil record of plants and animals that never actually existed?

      How do we explain the geological evidence associated with the Ice Ages and the genetic link between human settlement in Siberia and those residing in North and South America?

      The creation of different "races" is also not mentioned in the Bible, but our knowledge of genetics indicates that this could not have all happened in the approximately 6000 to 7000 year "window" between Adam and the present.

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      • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
        why would God create a world with the fossils of plants and animals that never existed?
        Is reading your second language?

        You know that the Bible says "six days," right?
        Where is the evidence for a global flood?
        E≈mc2
        "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

        "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
        -Bob B.

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        • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
          Is reading your second language?

          You know that the Bible says "six days," right?
          Try as you might, 6 days doesn't explain the existence of difference races, the geological record and the fossil record of plants and animals not mentioned in the Bible - apparently we are to dismiss all these loose ends as nothing more than "fake news?"

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          • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
            Six days doesn't explain...
            Focus. Does the Bible teach "six days"?
            Where is the evidence for a global flood?
            E≈mc2
            "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

            "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
            -Bob B.

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            • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
              Focus. Does the Bible teach "six days"?
              Yes, but as we know several thousand years after that particular camp fire story was written down---it is incorrect.

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              • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                that would be the "record" where bone and shell were replaced by mineral stone over millions and millions of years?

                except in those cases where soft tissue is found in samples that are "75 million" years old?


                in any other scientific discipline, a discovery of that nature would have led to a re-examination of basic theories
                True but a discovery of that nature has not been made. The researcher who made the discovery you are talking about has clearly said that creationists are misinterpreting her work. To put it in the simplest layman's terms, what she found was mud that retained the shape and many components of the original tissue.

                What was exciting about this was that the fossilization and rehydration processes, both of which normally replace the original tissues, retained these elements when they are usually destroyed. What was amazing is that a lot of the structure and chemical makeup of the original tissue was preserved.

                The process of that preservation is starting to be understood now and it has to do with the way the bone was originally fossilized but does not preclude the age of the fossil.
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                • Sort of curious how long were those six days were? Days on Venus are almost a year long. We have no idea what the rotational period of the Earth was at creation as it has changed considerably since and been affected by many outside forces. Our current day has not been 24 hours since the 1800s, which is why we have to have leap events built into the time measurements.
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                  • Originally posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
                    Sort of curious how long were those six days were? Days on Venus are almost a year long. We have no idea what the rotational period of the Earth was at creation as it has changed considerably since and been affected by many outside forces. Our current day has not been 24 hours since the 1800s, which is why we have to have leap events built into the time measurements.


                    You want the Earth to rotate once every few hundred million years then speed up?



                    Physics, bro.

                    And geometry.
                    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                    E≈mc2
                    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                    -Bob B.

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                    • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                      Just how does the 6 day interpretation explain the geological record, the fossil record and the appearance of different "races" as we know them!
                      It doesn't, because that's not when those things came into existence.

                      The 6000 year time period, when one traces Christ's ancestors back to Adam in the Bible, neither addresses nor accommodates these observable phenomena!
                      More like 7000 years, now.

                      And why not? People don't have kids at the end of their lives, and before Noah, most people lived to be several centuries old.

                      Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                      Quite the opposite - why would God create a world which included the fossil record of plants and animals that never actually existed?
                      He didn't. That all came later, during the Flood.

                      How do we explain the geological evidence associated with the Ice Ages and the genetic link between human settlement in Siberia and those residing in North and South America?
                      With the Flood.

                      The creation of different "races" is also not mentioned in the Bible,
                      Not directly, no, but it is explained.

                      Think Tower of Babel, and the days of Peleg.

                      There have been about 200 generations of humans since Adam, and most of the mutations have happened in the 5000 years. That's what geneticists find.

                      https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11690

                      Summary of the above here: https://www.wired.com/2012/11/recent-human-evolution-2/

                      but our knowledge of genetics indicates that this could not have all happened in the approximately 6000 to 7000 year "window" between Adam and the present.
                      Incorrect. See above.

                      Your knowledge of genetics might go along with your claim, but that doesn't make it, nor you, correct.

                      Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                      Try as you might, 6 days doesn't explain the existence of difference races, the geological record and the fossil record of plants and animals not mentioned in the Bible - apparently we are to dismiss all these loose ends as nothing more than "fake news?"
                      They're not loose ends, you're just looking in the wrong places.

                      Originally posted by Jonahdog View Post
                      Yes, but as we know several thousand years after that particular camp fire story was written down---it is incorrect.
                      Saying it doesn't make it so.

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                      • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                        I can only assume that those who took the time and effort required to establish a new Christian denomination, were not of the opinion that " the differences are often very small!"
                        You do a lot of assuming.
                        All of my ancestors are human.
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                        That explains why your an idiot.
                        Originally posted by God's Truth
                        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                        • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                          Just how does the 6 day interpretation explain the geological record, the fossil record and the appearance of different "races" as we know them!
                          The fossil record was caused by the global flood during the time of Noah, the different "races" of men can be traced to the incident at the tower of Babel.

                          Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                          The 6000 year time period, when one traces Christ's ancestors back to Adam in the Bible, neither addresses nor accommodates these observable phenomena!
                          A list of my ancestor's names does not address the American Civil war and the American Revolution, even though I have had ancestors that fought in both of those wars.

                          Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                          Try as you might, 6 days doesn't explain the existence of difference races, the geological record and the fossil record of plants and animals not mentioned in the Bible
                          The geological record of a great cataclysm and the fossil record of plants and animals buried in sediment did not happen during the 6 days, it happened during the global flood at the time of Noah.
                          Learn to read what is written.

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                          • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
                            Have you conceded that the Bible teaches "six days"?
                            Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                            Quite the opposite
                            If you think the Bible teaches the opposite of a "six day" creation, what do you think the Bible teaches about creation?
                            Learn to read what is written.

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                            The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
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                            • Originally posted by Stripe View Post


                              You want the Earth to rotate once every few hundred million years then speed up?



                              Physics, bro.

                              And geometry.

                              I am simply illustrating that problem with assuming that we are talking about 24 hour days. It is entirely possible to have a planetary day that lasts millions of years. Life on such a world would be extremely limited but that is not the point. The Bible does not say how long the days are or even how they were measured before the Sun was created.
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                              • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                                The fossil record was caused by the global flood during the time of Noah
                                How does that work exactly? I know how Answers in Genesis thinks it works but all that shows us is that AIG didn't give more than five seconds of thought and no amount of actual testing and evaluation to their hypothesis.
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