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    Should the US government start spending more on repairing infrastructure? Should they invest in high-speed rail projects?


    Almost all spending on transportation, drinking water, and wastewater infrastructure is done by the public sector. Federal, state, and local governments spent $416 billion on it in 2014. That amount equaled about 2.4 percent of gross domestic product, a percentage that has been fairly stable for roughly 30 years



    Should that be increased as a percentage of GDP or total dollar amount?


    America's infrastructure is desperately in need of investment, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers. The ASCE estimates the US needs to spend some $4.5 trillion by 2025 to fix the country's roads, bridges, dams, and other infrastructure.



    If we do seek to implement high-speed rail, what is the best way forward? Is it worthwhile to begin with?


    In Asia and Europe, super-fast locomotives are comparable to air travel in price and door-to-door speed.

    Across Asia and Europe, high-speed rail is providing a competitive alternative to air travel on the same routes, in terms of price and the all-important barometer of time. Put that together with the environmental benefits that flow from not burning jet fuel, and staying on the ground begins to make more sense for travelers who would otherwise trudge to the airport.

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    How the US rates on various infrastructure:
    Aviation: D
    Bridges: C+
    Dams: D
    Drinking Water: D
    Energy: D+
    Hazardous Waste: D+
    Inland Waterways: D
    Levees: D
    Parks and Recreation: D+
    Ports: C+
    Rail: B
    Roads: D
    Schools: D+
    Solid Waste: C+
    Transit: D-
    Wastewater: D+

    Thoughts?
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

    Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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    As a mechanical and manufacturing engineer I geek out at high speed rail. My major concern is cost. Here in California we are building a high speed rail system and it's already massively over budget and well behind schedule. It was initially estimated at $33 billion back in 2009. Now, the latest estimate is between $77 to $98 billion.


    https://www.city-journal.org/califor...d-rail-project

    https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/a...223441880.html
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    • #3
      Some relevant info.

      High-Speed Rail in Europe and Asia: Lessons for the United States
      Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

      What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

      I will do you, let's see, goofy, wacky, and to the left side of the bell curve
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      • #4
        High-Speed Rail is a convenience that will cost billions of dollars, paid for by taxes that hurt the poor, to pay for a shiny Gadget that will only be used by the wealthy. I mean, how many poor people do you know who need to jump the high-speed rail from Boston to New York every day to get to the office

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
          High-Speed Rail is a convenience that will cost billions of dollars, paid for by taxes that hurt the poor, to pay for a shiny Gadget that will only be used by the wealthy. I mean, how many poor people do you know who need to jump the high-speed rail from Boston to New York every day to get to the office
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          If one goes to Europe and/or Asia, there is no comparison with their modern public transportation and airport infrastructure and that which currently exists in the US!

          America is literally decades behind - but the Republican priorities were to provide a $1 trillion "tax cut" to wealthy, rather than upgrade America's aging infrastructure!

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          • #6
            Recently, Caifornia governor Gavin Newsom gave the State of the State address. He stated that he will greatly scale back the high speed rail project. There will be no San Francisco to Los Angeles route anymore.

            https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...d-13610732.php
            Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

            What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

            I will do you, let's see, goofy, wacky, and to the left side of the bell curve
            . -Ktoyou

            I'm white. I'm not black. I can't convert to being black. It doesn't matter how much I want to become black. I could listen to rap and date fat white women all day; for all that, I'll still remain white.- Traditio

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Berean View Post
              Recently, Caifornia governor Gavin Newsom gave the State of the State address. He stated that he will greatly scale back the high speed rail project. There will be no San Francisco to Los Angeles route anymore.

              https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...d-13610732.php
              China, Japan and much of Europe are headed in the opposite direction - even in places like Bangkok, Thailand they have rapid urban light rail transportation far superior to most American cities!

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              • #8
                If we can get other countries to subsidize our military spending, that protects all of us, the world round, and not just Americans, then we could find enough money to get into this more.

                It would bring real estate booms along all the corridors, even more than interstate highways did, because of the "high speed" part, you could afford to live at least twice as far away from work I would think, if you live near a high speed rail stop. And the real estate building boom would be the best kind, out in the sticks, relieving population centers as people can afford time-wise to live outside the cities and still work there.

                It is a game changer, and I think we should do it, but we spend so bloody much on military it's like one hand tied behind our back. And our military helps the whole world, so the whole world justly should help pay.

                For our high speed rails.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Berean View Post
                  As a mechanical and manufacturing engineer I geek out at high speed rail. My major concern is cost. Here in California we are building a high speed rail system and it's already massively over budget and well behind schedule. It was initially estimated at $33 billion back in 2009. Now, the latest estimate is between $77 to $98 billion.


                  https://www.city-journal.org/califor...d-rail-project

                  https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/a...223441880.html
                  And now,
                  New California Gov. Gavin Newsom slams brakes on San Francisco-to-Los Angeles bullet train
                  The governor scaled back the high-speed train, calling for a more limited rail line now but leaving the door open to a statewide project in the future.

                  Here



                  You beat me to it

                  Originally posted by The Berean View Post
                  Recently, Caifornia governor Gavin Newsom gave the State of the State address. He stated that he will greatly scale back the high speed rail project. There will be no San Francisco to Los Angeles route anymore.

                  https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...d-13610732.php
                  “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                  ― Theodore Roosevelt

                  Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                    China, Japan and much of Europe are headed in the opposite direction - even in places like Bangkok, Thailand they have rapid urban light rail transportation far superior to most American cities!
                    China is a totalitarian nation and can spend money however they wish. Japan and France are small nations geographically compared to America. So do you not care at all about how much a high speed rail will actually cost? Here in California the high speed rail has MASSIVE cost overruns and was behind schedule by over a decade. These things don't bother you? As a California taxpayer they greatly bother me. Plus those high speed rail systems in Japan and France lose money. They are unprofitable.
                    Your problem is not technology. The problem is YOU. You lack the will to change...You treat this planet as you treat each other. - Klaatu

                    What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

                    I will do you, let's see, goofy, wacky, and to the left side of the bell curve
                    . -Ktoyou

                    I'm white. I'm not black. I can't convert to being black. It doesn't matter how much I want to become black. I could listen to rap and date fat white women all day; for all that, I'll still remain white.- Traditio

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                      If we can get other countries to subsidize our military spending, that protects all of us, the world round, and not just Americans, then we could find enough money to get into this more.

                      It would bring real estate booms along all the corridors, even more than interstate highways did, because of the "high speed" part, you could afford to live at least twice as far away from work I would think, if you live near a high speed rail stop. And the real estate building boom would be the best kind, out in the sticks, relieving population centers as people can afford time-wise to live outside the cities and still work there.

                      It is a game changer, and I think we should do it, but we spend so bloody much on military it's like one hand tied behind our back. And our military helps the whole world, so the whole world justly should help pay.

                      For our high speed rails.
                      Man you must have been smoking crack to come up with that idea. First of all nobody is going to subsidize our military. Other countries May occasionally subsidized specific operations that enhance their own security, but nobody will ever subsidize our military in general. Second of all since we are 20 trillion dollars in debt which is a number that can have catastrophic consequences, we have no business spending money on stupid b******* like this. If we ever were to amazingly bring the budget into balance, all money should go towards paying off our insane debt. Using your logic, a family would have 20 Tapped Out credit cards, and if they could get somebody to make a few payments on a couple of them then that's an excuse to tap out a few more credit cards. Insane

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
                        High-Speed Rail is a convenience that will cost billions of dollars, paid for by taxes that hurt the poor, to pay for a shiny Gadget that will only be used by the wealthy. I mean, how many poor people do you know who need to jump the high-speed rail from Boston to New York every day to get to the office
                        Trump Infrastructure Plan Includes Elon Musk-Style High-Speed Rail Tunnels

                        He and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez actually have something in common, they both like expensive high-speed rail projects.
                        “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                        ― Theodore Roosevelt

                        Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                        • #13
                          Unlike you Democrats who considered diversity to be a thing of skin color only, we Republicans have diversity of thought and we do not agree in lockstep with every single thing that every other Republican agrees with. I do not agree with Trump's infrastructure plans. I do agree with almost everything Trump is doing and I am pleased with his outstanding success with the economy, but I do not believe an infrastructure program is correct at this time when we are 20 trillion dollars in debt

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
                            Man you must have been smoking crack to come up with that idea. First of all nobody is going to subsidize our military. Other countries May occasionally subsidized specific operations that enhance their own security, but nobody will ever subsidize our military in general. Second of all since we are 20 trillion dollars in debt which is a number that can have catastrophic consequences, we have no business spending money on stupid b******* like this. If we ever were to amazingly bring the budget into balance, all money should go towards paying off our insane debt. Using your logic, a family would have 20 Tapped Out credit cards, and if they could get somebody to make a few payments on a couple of them then that's an excuse to tap out a few more credit cards. Insane
                            Trump should stop spending like a drunken sailor
                            “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                            ― Theodore Roosevelt

                            Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                              Trump should stop spending like a drunken sailor
                              LOL. Yeah, right. Obama incurred more debt than all other previous presidents combined but I never heard you complain about the Socialist Kenyan Pig. So you can save your crapola about Trump

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