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  • Should People Who Have Mental Illness/Retardation Be Tried As An Adult?

    A question more aimed at those who think a swift and painful execution should happen for plenty but open to others as well. Is it in any way moral to try and convict a person who wasn't/isn't in control of their faculties for crimes? If so, then should children be convicted as adults as well?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Should People Who Have Mental Illness/Retardation Be Tried As An Adult?





    Yes artie, you should
    Last edited by ok doser; September 2nd, 2018, 03:25 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
      A question more aimed at those who think a swift and painful execution should happen for plenty but open to others as well. Is it in any way moral to try and convict a person who wasn't/isn't in control of their faculties for crimes? If so, then should children be convicted as adults as well?
      Well put!

      Sometimes we do convict mentally ill folks for crimes, but only if it can be shown that despite their disabilities they must have had guilty mind. But these same people are usually then held in a controlled mental hospital. Ronald Cray was held for life in a mental health wing of a secure facility, for instance. The boys who killed Jamie Bulger were convicted but then held and treated for rehabilitation if possible. etc etc

      You asked about 'moral acts' in your OP, and it has to be said that Public Painful executions can only be an example of an unhinged culture, and executions like that for adultery, LGBT actions, certain insults to parents etc....... is beyond unhinged.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by eider View Post
        ...and executions like that for adultery, LGBT actions....


        adultery, child molestation, homosexuality, rape, pornography, murder (including abortion)...

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        • #5
          at what age should a child know that it is wrong to kill?

          if a mentally retarded person tries to hide the fact that they've murdered, isn't that an indication that they know it is wrong?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by eider View Post
            Well put!

            Sometimes we do convict mentally ill folks for crimes, but only if it can be shown that despite their disabilities they must have had guilty mind. But these same people are usually then held in a controlled mental hospital. Ronald Cray was held for life in a mental health wing of a secure facility, for instance. The boys who killed Jamie Bulger were convicted but then held and treated for rehabilitation if possible. etc etc

            You asked about 'moral acts' in your OP, and it has to be said that Public Painful executions can only be an example of an unhinged culture, and executions like that for adultery, LGBT actions, certain insults to parents etc....... is beyond unhinged.
            Well, where it comes to people who advocate a state that painfully executes people for being homosexual then an argument could be made that they're not exactly in full control of their faculties...

            Well this is fun isn't it?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
              A question more aimed at those who think a swift and painful execution should happen for plenty but open to others as well. Is it in any way moral to try and convict a person who wasn't/isn't in control of their faculties for crimes? If so, then should children be convicted as adults as well?
              Children. No. They are not given the same rights as adults (due to lack of maturity) so punishing them AS adults does not make sense. For someone who is mentally ill ... for me, it depends on the person. Are they mentally insane to such an extent that they would continue to be a risk to all around them? Is there another option that would not put anyone else in harm's way if the person keeps on breathing?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rusha View Post
                Children. No. They are not given the same rights as adults (due to lack of maturity) so punishing them AS adults does not make sense. For someone who is mentally ill ... for me, it depends on the person. Are they mentally insane to such an extent that they would continue to be a risk to all around them? Is there another option that would not put anyone else in harm's way if the person keeps on breathing?
                Totally agreed on the first part and regarding the second, a secure psychiatric ward would be better than killing someone.
                Well this is fun isn't it?

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                • #9
                  if they understand the consequences of their actions, they deserve execution


                  remember our little discussion on "earned" and "deserve"?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                    adultery, child molestation, homosexuality, rape, pornography, murder (including abortion)...
                    Where did you say you were from? Iran?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chair View Post
                      Where did you say you were from? Iran?
                      Which of those do you believe do not merit the death penalty?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                        Which of those do you believe do not merit the death penalty?
                        Pornography, which would be punished by flogging, not death. The rest would be punishable by execution.

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                        • #13
                          this is a bit of a tough question and the answer depends on the degree of mental impairment. A blanket "No" would mean Trump would be tried in Juvenile Court.

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                          • #14
                            artie?

                            care to take a crack at these?

                            Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                            at what age should a child know that it is wrong to kill?

                            if a mentally retarded person tries to hide the fact that they've murdered, isn't that an indication that they know it is wrong?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                              Yes artie, you should


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