Trump impeachment

rexlunae

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How do you know he didn't pay off Stormy to keep his wife from finding out.

The timing is suggestive, and I suspect that Cohen will testify to the intentions during any legal action. But it is a question of fact that would have to be proven in any venue.

So, I'm guessing you spoke out demanding that Bill Clinton be removed from office for committing perjury? Or were you among those saying keeping your sex life private is no big deal? Before you answer let me remind you that, had Clinton not lied under oath, the Paula Jones case would not have been dismissed for "lack of evidence".

I really wonder why all conservatives seem to assume I'm a big Bill Clinton fan. I'm not old enough to have ever voted for him.

But anyway, an important detail is that campaign finance laws are designed to cover money spent, not the commission of other crimes. So, even if he were charged, it's hard to see how he could be charged under campaign finance law. Moreover, he committed perjury in 1998, after his last election. If it was an effort to impact the outcome of an election, which one? One in the past? One in which he wouldn't be running? Also, many of these limits weren't enacted until 2002, so they may not have applied. I'd have to do a more thorough review to figure out if anything relevant would still have applied.

That leaves us with the question of whether an impeachment unrelated to holding or exercising the office is proper. I think that generally the answer would be 'no', which let's Clinton off the hook for impeachment. Trump, on the other hand, seems to have knowingly broken the law in order to illegitimately seize the office, which should be impeachable if it isn't already.
 

ok doser

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Americans have a right to know some basic details about that candidates bidding to represent them.

can you point to anything in the constitution that enumerates a citizen's right to know about a candidate's sexual habits?

I didn't suggest there was such a provision in the Constitution, as you well know.

ok, so where does this "right" come from?

The laws enacted by Congress to protect the integrity of elections. Of course.


can you point to anything in the constitution that gives congress the power to make up new rights willy-nilly?
 

ok doser

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I assume it's in section 8, but i'm not seeing it :idunno:

The Congress shall have power

To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
 

Delmar

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The timing is suggestive, and I suspect that Cohen will testify to the intentions during any legal action. But it is a question of fact that would have to be proven in any venue.
Timing is sugggesive but far from probative. I too suspect that Cohen will testify the way you say. Not because it is necessarily true, but because they have him on tax evasion and he is trying to keep himself and his wife out of prison.
I really wonder why all conservatives seem to assume I'm a big Bill Clinton fan. I'm not old enough to have ever voted for him.

But anyway, an important detail is that campaign finance laws are designed to cover money spent,
campaign finance laws are designed to cover money spent on campaigns
not the commission of other crimes. So, even if he were charged, it's hard to see how he could be charged under campaign finance law. Moreover, he committed perjury in 1998, after his last election. If it was an effort to impact the outcome of an election, which one? One in the past? One in which he wouldn't be running? Also, many of these limits weren't enacted until 2002, so they may not have applied. I'd have to do a more thorough review to figure out if anything relevant would still have applied.

That leaves us with the question of whether an impeachment unrelated to holding or exercising the office is proper. I think that generally the answer would be 'no', which let's Clinton off the hook for impeachment. Trump, on the other hand, seems to have knowingly broken the law in order to illegitimately seize the office, which should be impeachable if it isn't already.
I never tried to imply that Clinton broke campaign laws Just that he broke the law. The idea that breach of campaign law is more serious than breaking any other law is just silly.
 

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Who? :idunno:

And what difference does it make what someone else does?

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It makes all the difference to the Trumpeters. Donny's ego causes him to go after anyone and everyone he considers an enemy.
Well until he needs their support in the Senate. Now Lying Ted Cruz is a Trump favorite.
If Trump worked for you, you would fire him.
 

aCultureWarrior

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If you believe Donald Trump is not qualified to be president because he is an adulterous liar, I do agree. If you believe being an adulterous liar does not disqualify a President, but paying his bimbo to hide his adultery (with money that did not come from campaign funds) is a crime that justifies his removal from office,you are just being silly.

I thought Hell would freeze over before I saw Delmar defending a pro abortionist like Trump (Trump signed legislation fully funding Planned Parenthood 5 times in his first 16 months in office. Remember the pathological liar promised to defund PP).

The reason for impeachment won't be Trump's adulterous affairs, as liberals are known for that and the American public loves it (even supposed Christians look the other way if their candidate is involved) The reason will be his collusion with Russia and hence Trump's connections with the mass murdering former Colonel of the KGB and now President of Russia Vlad Putin.

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:mock: Trump.

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Stripe

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I think I've voted once in my entire life and I think all politicians are scum.

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exminister

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If you believe Donald Trump is not qualified to be president because he is an adulterous liar, I do agree. If you believe being an adulterous liar does not disqualify a President, but paying his bimbo to hide his adultery (with money that did not come from campaign funds) is a crime that justifies his removal from office,you are just being silly.

How about his finances tied to Russian oligarchs? We can’t dig into his finances because he refuses (because he is guilty and embarrassed). He only praises Russia and Putin (because he is guilty and embarrassed). Reagan must be turning over in his grave. All the good he did standing up to Russia and now a corrupt, lying, narcissist eliminates that good. When did the right lose their minds and fully embrace one of democracy’s biggest enemies?

Wonder where Trump got his money to payoff porn starship? The pot had oligarch money in it.
 

ok doser

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How about his finances tied to Russian oligarchs?

don't know

don't care

We can’t dig into his finances

why would you think we should be allowed to?

because he refuses (because he is guilty and embarrassed).

speculation

He only praises Russia and Putin

cite?

(because he is guilty and embarrassed).

speculation

All the good (Reagan) did standing up to Russia

reagan never stood up to russia
 

rexlunae

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Timing is sugggesive but far from probative. I too suspect that Cohen will testify the way you say. Not because it is necessarily true, but because they have him on tax evasion and he is trying to keep himself and his wife out of prison.

I suspect there will also be testimony from David Precker, and maybe some Trump Organization officials.

I don't know why you find it so hard to question the character of a man who so clearly surrounds himself with criminals.


campaign finance laws are designed to cover money spent on campaigns

...which includes limits on how money can be spent by outside groups for campaigns. So, Trump Org, Trump personally, etc, etc, etc.

I never tried to imply that Clinton broke campaign laws Just that he broke the law. The idea that breach of campaign law is more serious than breaking any other law is just silly.

I don't think there's any doubt he broke the law. As far as breaching campaign finance law goes, there are 330 million Americans that it defrauds. It seems like kinda a big deal to me, as well as directly tied to his holding of the office.

If the argument is that we should impeach presidents for any intentional criminal conduct, I'm game. Impeach Clinton, Trump, Bush II, anyone who thought they were above the law. I would support that if there never were a Trump.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Delmar, a number of far-left liberals have a stronghold on TOL. They cannot get over Hillary's loss and are controlled by their HATRED for our President. Quite a change has occurred since you were here before, huh?
 

rexlunae

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And Obama's secret police in the FBI and Justice Department did everything in their power to destroy the integrity of the last election. Of course.

Everything except leak that Trump was being investigated for his ties to Russia. Somehow, that never occurred to them, if that was what they were doing.

It's almost as if they weren't actually trying to do that at all...
 

Delmar

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How about his finances tied to Russian oligarchs? We can’t dig into his finances because he refuses (because he is guilty and embarrassed). He only praises Russia and Putin (because he is guilty and embarrassed). Reagan must be turning over in his grave. All the good he did standing up to Russia and now a corrupt, lying, narcissist eliminates that good. When did the right lose their minds and fully embrace one of democracy’s biggest enemies?

Wonder where Trump got his money to payoff porn starship? The pot had oligarch money in it.

Did you miss the part where I said I do agree he is not qualified to be president?
 
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