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  • Abortion is wrong and should be abolished

    http://americanrtl.org/why-abortion-is-wrong

  • #2
    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    She failed biology.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tambora View Post
      She failed biology.
      Who?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
        Who?
        Ilana Goldman, the lady that would not answer if the fetus was 'living' or 'dead'; after she had just said that life begins at birth.
        From the video on the page you linked to about abortion.

        We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
        They already know monsters exist.
        We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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        • #5
          Yes abortion is wrong, it's wrong to take a life. Thou shalt not kill, includes babies in the womb.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by marhig View Post
            Yes abortion is wrong, it's wrong to take a life. Thou shalt not kill, includes babies in the womb.
            Taking the life of a criminal who has committed a capital crime is a good thing for a government to do.

            Taking the life of an innocent child is wrong for anyone, government or not.

            And the verse says "thou shall not murder," not "thou shall not kill."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by marhig View Post
              Yes abortion is wrong, it's wrong to take a life. Thou shalt not kill, includes babies in the womb.
              No, it doesn't and never did.

              Tihei Mauri ora
              "It is in love that we are made, in love we disappear..."Leonard Cohen

              Monsignor Ray McIntyre
              Anglican Church International
              Te Hāhi Katorika Tawhito

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kiwimacahau View Post
                No, it doesn't and never did.

                Tihei Mauri ora
                Is it wrong to kill an innocent person?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                  Is it wrong to kill an innocent person?
                  Yes, but there is the nub of your problem. A foetus was not considered a person until first breath and even then was not counted one until 3 months had elapsed.

                  Tihei Mauri ora
                  "It is in love that we are made, in love we disappear..."Leonard Cohen

                  Monsignor Ray McIntyre
                  Anglican Church International
                  Te Hāhi Katorika Tawhito

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kiwimacahau View Post
                    Yes
                    I'm glad you acknowledge this.

                    but there is the nub of your problem.
                    No problem here...

                    A foetus was not considered a person until first breath and even then was not counted one until 3 months had elapsed.

                    Tihei Mauri ora
                    Is the fetus in a woman's womb human?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kiwimacahau View Post
                      No, it doesn't and never did.
                      If you don't think abortion takes a life, you likely failed biology as well.

                      A new life begins at conception. This is an objective biological fact.
                      “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                      ― Theodore Roosevelt

                      Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                        I'm glad you acknowledge this.



                        No problem here...



                        Is the fetus in a woman's womb human?
                        It is a potential human which becomes an actual human at birth, given that fully 50% of fertilised ovum self-abort before the first trimester it cannot be any other way. Otherwise every miscarriage is an abortion.
                        "It is in love that we are made, in love we disappear..."Leonard Cohen

                        Monsignor Ray McIntyre
                        Anglican Church International
                        Te Hāhi Katorika Tawhito

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                          If you don't think abortion takes a life, you likely failed biology as well.

                          A new life begins at conception. This is an objective biological fact.
                          A Zygote/ Embryo / foetus is by definition a potential human rather than an actual one.
                          "It is in love that we are made, in love we disappear..."Leonard Cohen

                          Monsignor Ray McIntyre
                          Anglican Church International
                          Te Hāhi Katorika Tawhito

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kiwimacahau View Post
                            It is a potential human which becomes an actual human at birth,
                            You misread my question. I didn't ask, "Is the fetus a human," I asked, "Is the fetus human."

                            So, Kiwi, in a woman's womb, is the fetus human?

                            given that fully 50% of fertilised ovum self-abort die before the first trimester it cannot be any other way. Otherwise every miscarriage is an abortion.
                            Begging the question doesn't help your case.

                            So two questions for you, Kiwi:

                            In a pregnant woman's womb, is the fetus human?

                            Is the fetus in a woman's womb alive?

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                            • #15
                              I answered your question. The foetus is a potential human being. No one is arguing it is not alive.
                              "It is in love that we are made, in love we disappear..."Leonard Cohen

                              Monsignor Ray McIntyre
                              Anglican Church International
                              Te Hāhi Katorika Tawhito

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