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    The Election That Could Break America


    A lot of people, including Joe Biden, the Democratic Party nominee, have mis­conceived the nature of the threat. They frame it as a concern, unthinkable for presidents past, that Trump might refuse to vacate the Oval Office if he loses. They generally conclude, as Biden has, that in that event the proper authorities “will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.”

    The worst case, however, is not that Trump rejects the election outcome. The worst case is that he uses his power to prevent a decisive outcome against him. If Trump sheds all restraint, and if his Republican allies play the parts he assigns them, he could obstruct the emergence of a legally unambiguous victory for Biden in the Electoral College and then in Congress. He could prevent the formation of consensus about whether there is any outcome at all. He could seize on that un­certainty to hold on to power.

    Trump’s state and national legal teams are already laying the groundwork for postelection maneuvers that would circumvent the results of the vote count in battleground states. Ambiguities in the Constitution and logic bombs in the Electoral Count Act make it possible to extend the dispute all the way to Inauguration Day, which would bring the nation to a precipice. The Twentieth Amendment is crystal clear that the president’s term in office “shall end” at noon on January 20, but two men could show up to be sworn in. One of them would arrive with all the tools and power of the presidency already in hand.

    “We are not prepared for this at all,” Julian Zelizer, a Prince­ton professor of history and public affairs, told me. “We talk about it, some worry about it, and we imagine what it would be. But few people have actual answers to what happens if the machinery of democracy is used to prevent a legitimate resolution to the election.”

    Let us nothedge about one thing. Donald Trump may win or lose, but he will never concede. Not under any circumstance. Not during the Interregnum and not afterward. If compelled in the end to vacate his office, Trump will insist from exile, as long as he draws breath, that the contest was rigged.

    Trump’s invincible commitment to this stance will be the most important fact about the coming Interregnum. It will deform the proceedings from beginning to end. We have not experienced anything like it before.

    Maybe you hesitate. Is it a fact that if Trump loses, he will reject defeat, come what may? Do we know that? Technically, you feel obliged to point out, the proposition is framed in the future conditional, and prophecy is no man’s gift, and so forth. With all due respect, that is pettifoggery. We know this man. We cannot afford to pretend.

    Trump’s behavior and declared intent leave no room to suppose that he will accept the public’s verdict if the vote is going against him. He lies prodigiously—to manipulate events, to secure advantage, to dodge accountability, and to ward off injury to his pride. An election produces the perfect distillate of all those motives.

    . . . .

    There is no truth to be found in dancing around this point, either: Trump does not want Black people to vote. (He said as much in 2017—on Martin Luther King Day, no less—to a voting-­rights group co-founded by King, according to a recording leaked to Politico.) He does not want young people or poor people to vote. He believes, with reason, that he is less likely to win reelection if turnout is high at the polls. This is not a “both sides” phenomenon. In present-day politics, we have one party that consistently seeks advantage in depriving the other party’s adherents of the right to vote.

    Just under a year ago, Justin Clark gave a closed-door talk in Wisconsin to a select audience of Republican lawyers. He thought he was speaking privately, but someone had brought a recording device. He had a lot to say about Election Day operations, or “EDO.”

    At the time, Clark was a senior lieutenant with Trump’s re­election campaign; in July, he was promoted to deputy campaign manager. “Wisconsin’s the state that is going to tip this one way or the other … So it makes EDO really, really, really important,” he said. He put the mission bluntly: “Traditionally it’s always been Republicans suppressing votes … [Democrats’] voters are all in one part of the state, so let’s start playing offense a little bit. And that’s what you’re going to see in 2020. That’s what’s going to be markedly different. It’s going to be a much bigger program, a much more aggressive program, a much better-funded program, and we’re going to need all the help we can get.” (Clark later claimed that his remarks had been misconstrued, but his explanation made no sense in context.)


    Of all the favorable signs for Trump’s Election Day operations, Clark explained, “first and foremost is the consent decree’s gone.” He was referring to a court order forbidding Republican operatives from using any of a long list of voter-purging and intimidation techniques. The expiration of that order was a “huge, huge, huge, huge deal,” Clark said.

    His audience of lawyers knew what he meant. The 2020 presidential election will be the first in 40 years to take place without a federal judge requiring the Republican National Committee to seek approval in advance for any “ballot security” operations at the polls. In 2018, a federal judge allowed the consent decree to expire, ruling that the plaintiffs had no proof of recent violations by Republicans. The consent decree, by this logic, was not needed, because it worked.

    . . . .

    This year, with a judge no longer watching, the Republicans are recruiting 50,000 volunteers in 15 contested states to monitor polling places and challenge voters they deem suspicious-looking. Trump called in to Fox News on August 20 to tell Sean Hannity, “We’re going to have sheriffs and we’re going to have law enforcement and we’re going to have, hopefully, U.S. attorneys” to keep close watch on the polls. For the first time in decades, according to Clark, Republicans are free to combat voter fraud in “places that are run by Democrats.”



    Much, much more at the link. It's a long article, one that needs to be studied, not just read.





    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

  • #2
    Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
    They frame it as a concern, unthinkable for presidents past, that Trump might refuse to vacate the Oval Office if he loses.
    There is no chance that he will lose. ZERO! ZILCH!

    Get used to the idea he will win in November so you won't have a complete melt-down when he wins. It's unbecoming!

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    • #3

      Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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      • #4
        It will be best all around if there is a clear winner. It can be a mess if the result is close. Mr. Trump has been laying the groundwork for that mess for quite some time. If he wins or loses in a landslide it will be avoided. There's a fair chance it won't be so clear-cut, and all hell will break loose. Is there a "responsible adult" that will keep the US from tearing itself apart?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chair View Post
          It will be best all around if there is a clear winner. It can be a mess if the result is close. Mr. Trump has been laying the groundwork for that mess for quite some time.
          Don't blame it on President Trump. Believe the science! Dr. Fauci said that in-person voting could be done safely if polling places enforce mask-wearing and social distancing guidelines and voters follow these guidelines.

          The Democrats scared the public into thinking that it was to dangerous to vote in person and they used that as an excuse to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive and no longer living at the same address where they lived when they last registered. Their recklessness is what can cause a mess of the worse kind. So don't blame it on President Trump.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
            We've been hearing about this from the BBC News and Text News since early this morning.
            Good Luck with all that.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post

              Don't blame it on President Trump. Believe the science! Dr. Fauci said that in-person voting could be done safely if polling places enforce mask-wearing and social distancing guidelines and voters follow these guidelines.

              The Democrats scared the public into thinking that it was to dangerous to vote in person and they used that as an excuse to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive and no longer living at the same address where they lived when they last registered. Their recklessness is what can cause a mess of the worse kind. So don't blame it on President Trump.
              As far as I understand it, each State decides on voting rules. And absentee ballots have been around for a long time.
              One can blame the Evil Democrats for their scheme "to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive etc.", or blame the Evil Republicans for limiting the vote and trying to undermine the system. Who do you see claiming in advance that the election will be rigged?

              You are all in the same boat, and you are all drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. The rest of the free world is tied to your boat, like it or not. But no worries, the Russians and the Chinese will rescue everybody when you've sunk.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
                The Democrats scared the public into thinking that it was to dangerous to vote in person and they used that as an excuse to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive and no longer living at the same address where they lived when they last registered.
                Can you present a shred of credible evidence to support your assertion?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chair View Post
                  And absentee ballots have been around for a long time.

                  Absentee ballots are very different from voting by mail

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ok doser View Post


                    Absentee ballots are very different from voting by mail
                    Anybody who is pretending /acting like this presidential election is like any of our other elections is disingenuous. President Trump has every right to contest results until it is demonstrated that the election was as free and fair as our past presidential elections have been
                    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                    @Nee_Nihilo

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chair View Post

                      As far as I understand it, each State decides on voting rules. And absentee ballots have been around for a long time.
                      The subject is not about "absentee ballots" but instead about ballots sent out unsolicited.

                      Originally posted by chair View Post
                      One can blame the Evil Democrats for their scheme "to mail out ballots to people who are no longer alive etc.", or blame the Evil Republicans for limiting the vote and trying to undermine the system.
                      Again, the Democrats do not believe in the science concerning voting in person. Dr. Fauci said that in-person voting could be done safely if polling places enforce mask-wearing and social distancing guidelines and voters follow these guidelines.

                      Originally posted by chair View Post
                      You are all in the same boat, and you are all drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. The rest of the free world is tied to your boat, like it or not. But no worries, the Russians and the Chinese will rescue everybody when you've sunk.
                      It is the Democrats who are drilling holes in the bottom of boat because of their reckless action of sending out ballots to those who have not requested their ballots. They spent two years and twenty million dollars in their scheme to overthrow the election of President Trump who was duly elected as President so they have come up with a scheme to try to control the Presidental election this year.



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                      • #12
                        Five states conduct voting completely by mail: Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah. Washington has been doing mail ballots for about 15 years, IIRC., I don't know how long the other states have been doing it.

                        Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                        • #13
                          Hillary Clinton: Biden ‘should not concede under any circumstances’ in close race

                          WARNING: Graphic video here.

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                          • #14
                            Yep, drill away.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chair View Post
                              It will be best all around if there is a clear winner. It can be a mess if the result is close. Mr. Trump has been laying the groundwork for that mess for quite some time. If he wins or loses in a landslide it will be avoided. There's a fair chance it won't be so clear-cut, and all hell will break loose. Is there a "responsible adult" that will keep the US from tearing itself apart?
                              Don't look to the left for a responsible adult!!!
                              Eph 2:8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God's gift --
                              Eph 2:9 not from works, so that no one can boast.
                              Eph 2:10 For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them. [HCSB]

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