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    There is a plague (excuse the expression) of fact-denying. On many controversial topics, we find that people on one side or the other deny facts, as a means of argument. This is not limited to COVID discussions (more on this later). For example:

    Global warming. The Earth is in fact warming. It's measurable. There are numbers. It's known. One could argue that it is caused by human activity, or that it isn't, or that we should do something about it- or not. But numbers are numbers. So we do we find so many people insisting that the facts are 'wrong'?

    COVID-19. It was handled poorly in some countries, states and or cities. Who's to blame? Well, that's a heavy political question. But why do we find so many claiming that the disease isn't dangerous, there are simple cures that are being 'squashed', people aren't really dying from it, numbers are false, lock-down is pointless? There are solid facts out there. Why deny the facts?

    I'm reminded of our Flat Earth friends, who will insist that the sun doesn't set the way we see it, that you can't see further from a mountain than on a plain, that the stars don't move the way we see them move....

    If you have a good argument- make it! Don't pretend reality is different than it is.

  • #2
    Originally posted by chair View Post
    Global warming. The Earth is in fact warming. It's measurable. There are numbers. It's known. One could argue that it is caused by human activity, or that it isn't, or that we should do something about it- or not. But numbers are numbers. So we do we find so many people insisting that the facts are 'wrong'?
    Please identify these people.
    All of my ancestors are human.
    Originally posted by Squeaky
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Originally posted by God's Truth
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    • #3
      I deny that anybody denies facts

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      • #4
        Originally posted by chair View Post
        There is a plague (excuse the expression) of fact-denying. On many controversial topics, we find that people on one side or the other deny facts, as a means of argument.
        One of your problems, as you frequently showcase on TOL, is the fact that you are all wrapped up in your bad habit of asserting that non-facts are facts. Having decided to call non-facts, "facts", you then grumble and complain when those who are not dumb enough to agree with you refuse to call "facts", the nonsense and falsehood you like to call "facts".

        You should stop being a shallow, self-righteous hypocrite, and start trying to use argumentation, rather than continue expecting people to just take your word for it that something you call "fact" is fact.

        Would you deny that some people call things "facts" that you would refuse to call "facts"? Things that you would deny to be facts? So, it is pointless for you to go about charging people with "fact-denying", when they can simply turn it right back upon you, charging you with "fact-denying", just the same.








        All my ancestors are human.
        PS: All your ancestors are human.
        PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chair View Post
          The Earth is in fact warming. It's measurable. There are numbers. It's known.
          Tell me what we know about the warming or lack thereof of the Earth's interior - the core-mantle boundary, for example.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post

            One of your problems, as you frequently showcase on TOL, is the fact that you are all wrapped up in your bad habit of asserting that non-facts are facts. Having decided to call non-facts, "facts", you then grumble and complain when those who are not dumb enough to agree with you refuse to call "facts", the nonsense and falsehood you like to call "facts".

            You should stop being a shallow, self-righteous hypocrite, and start trying to use argumentation, rather than continue expecting people to just take your word for it that something you call "fact" is fact.

            Would you deny that some people call things "facts" that you would refuse to call "facts"? Things that you would deny to be facts? So, it is pointless for you to go about charging people with "fact-denying", when they can simply turn it right back upon you, charging you with "fact-denying", just the same.
            Oh, grow up already!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by chair View Post

              Oh, grow up already!
              Why is it that you can never answer the objections I level against you, and instead, as here, you're forced to act like the snotty child you are by falsely accusing me of being childish?
              All my ancestors are human.
              PS: All your ancestors are human.
              PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post

                Why is it that you can never answer the objections I level against you, and instead, as here, you're forced to act like the snotty child you are by falsely accusing me of being childish?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by chair View Post
                  It's measurable. There are numbers. It's known.
                  When you claim that something is "measurable", on what do you imagine you're basing your claim? Have you, personally, "measured" whatever you claim is "measurable", or are you just parroting someone else's claim that such and such is "measurable", and that they've "measured" it? It's hilarious that you've never been, and will never be, able to deal with such simple, elementary questions as these.


                  All my ancestors are human.
                  PS: All your ancestors are human.
                  PPS: To all you cats, dogs, monkeys, and other assorted house pets whose masters are outsourcing the task of TOL post-writing to you (we know who you are )– you may disregard the PS.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post

                    When you claim that something is "measurable", on what do you imagine you're basing your claim? Have you, personally, "measured" whatever you claim is "measurable", or are you just parroting someone else's claim that such and such is "measurable", and that they've "measured" it? It's hilarious that you've never been, and will never be, able to deal with such simple, elementary questions as these.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post

                      Why is it that you can never answer the objections I level against you, and instead, as here, you're forced to act like the snotty child you are by falsely accusing me of being childish?
                      Oh, the irony. He is not forced to act as what seems to just come naturally to you. You are as immature as it gets on here and it's beyond tiresome. Grow the hell up and try debating like someone over the age of seven.

                      Well this is fun isn't it?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by chair View Post
                        There is a plague (excuse the expression) of fact-denying. On many controversial topics, we find that people on one side or the other deny facts, as a means of argument. This is not limited to COVID discussions (more on this later). For example:

                        Global warming. The Earth is in fact warming. It's measurable. There are numbers. It's known. One could argue that it is caused by human activity, or that it isn't, or that we should do something about it- or not. But numbers are numbers. So we do we find so many people insisting that the facts are 'wrong'?

                        COVID-19. It was handled poorly in some countries, states and or cities. Who's to blame? Well, that's a heavy political question. But why do we find so many claiming that the disease isn't dangerous, there are simple cures that are being 'squashed', people aren't really dying from it, numbers are false, lock-down is pointless? There are solid facts out there. Why deny the facts?

                        I'm reminded of our Flat Earth friends, who will insist that the sun doesn't set the way we see it, that you can't see further from a mountain than on a plain, that the stars don't move the way we see them move....

                        If you have a good argument- make it! Don't pretend reality is different than it is.
                        Anyone who claims that Covid-19 isn't dangerous is either stupefyingly ignorant or an utter moron or both depending. It's been handled badly in several countries including my own. No fan of the current measures in place in the UK. Global warming is also true but then so is the fact that the earth is rather older than ten thousand years...
                        Well this is fun isn't it?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 7djengo7 View Post

                          When you claim that something is "measurable", on what do you imagine you're basing your claim? Have you, personally, "measured" whatever you claim is "measurable", or are you just parroting someone else's claim that such and such is "measurable", and that they've "measured" it? It's hilarious that you've never been, and will never be, able to deal with such simple, elementary questions as these.

                          Actually that is a pretty simple, elementary but ignorant question. If someone asked you where the Dow was today, how would you get an answer? There is a tropical storm brewing in the south Atlantic, does it pose a threat to the US? How would you determine that? How many covid cases today at your local hospital v a year ago? I'm sure you would run to your local hospital clipboard in hand?
                          Is the basis of your question your underlying distrust of "experts"?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                            Global warming is also true ...
                            Of course

                            See: Doggerland

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                            • #15
                              QED

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