LA doctor says hydroxychloroquine treatment cures coronavirus in 8 to 12 hours.

[chair]

You notice how the article didn't give actual numbers of those treated, recovered, what was actually "improved"? Here's one metric in what was "improved". The treatment time was lowered from 15 days to 11 days. Too bad the cost is approximately $950 per round of treatment. Senegal has better numbers, by far, and their cost of treatment is less than $15 per recovered patient. One that has no live coronavirus left in the patient.

NYC has 184,000+ cases. It has 15,000+ deaths. It's population is 8.3 million.

Senegal has 1,995 cases. It has 19 deaths. It's population is 16.68 million. They have a much smaller budget for healthcare than NYC. They do have, however, much greater integrity in their response to coronavirus and far lower political agendas than NYC. The results show the success of their approach. Their government actually cares about their citizens. NYC? Very little integrity or caring about their citizens. Oh, and Senegalese coronavirus patients have the highest recovery rates in the world. The majority of them actually get well.

Odd that you have to go to Senegal to find a good example. How about a solid Christian Republican State in the Real USA? NO good examples there? Why are they doing worse than Senegal?

 

[User Name]

Senegal has 1,995 cases. It has 19 deaths. It's population is 16.68 million. They have a much smaller budget for healthcare than NYC. They do have, however, much greater integrity in their response to coronavirus

Right, like wearing masks, for example. Hmm, what do they know that you don't?

 

[eider]

Right, like wearing masks, for example. Hmm, what do they know that you don't?

The above was sent to another.
We have been advised to wear masks now in any situations where there is any risk of close proximity.
About this thread..... there was a documentary about the Royal London Free Hospital last night. A truly gripping program about just one of our hospitals which has run out of mortuary space for the first time in it's entire history, with edge-of-seat stories about patients who somehow survived and others who did not. Doctors watching their own staff falling to the sickness. I'm not particularly emotional but one minute my wife and I were clapping hands, the next dabbing eyes with hankies. Truly moving. Point is, they are testing hydroxychloroquine there on 25 patients at random. At the same time they are testing many other medications as well. About 100 other hospitals are testing similar medications and it will be interesting to see the result of all these different research tests.

To think that some folks thought this illness was a mere nothing. But of course laymen can get all kinds of ideas.

 

[Gary K]

Odd that you have to go to Senegal to find a good example. How about a solid Christian Republican State in the Real USA? NO good examples there? Why are they doing worse than Senegal?

You seem to have problems dealing with reality again. NYC is a Democrat stronghold and has been for many decades. It's a huge cesspool of corruption. The governor forced nursing homes to take coronavirus patients from the hospitals. Ooooh. What an ethical guy. His policy was to infect as many old people as possible and run up the body count.

The county I live in has single digit total cases of coronavirus. It has recorded one death. It's a conservative county in a blue state. We haven't had a new case of coronavirus or a death from it in more than a month. Social distancing is not enforced. Mask wearing is not enforced. In fact mask wearers are looked upon as odd people as maybe only 1 or 2 percent of people wear them. I live across from the city's tennis courts and people are out there playing every day it doesn't rain. Kids are out riding their bikes, and so are old people. There are family gatherings all the time. Walkers are to be found all over town. A lot of people are fishing and hiking. Restaurants are only taking to-go orders but there are groups of people outside waiting for their orders. Coffee shops are open for take out and people line up inside to order. The farmer's market reopened this last weekend in a 4 lane street a half block long. When I walked by there were probably 150 people in that small area. Right next to the city cop shop.

Shelter in place is looked upon by most people as a joke. And yet look at the numbers. Nine total cases. One death.

 

[Gary K]

Right, like wearing masks, for example. Hmm, what do they know that you don't?

And if you watched the video's I posted from Senegal all the people entering and leaving the testing center were not wearing masks. The scientists and engineers working on test kits, and building ventilators were about 90% free from masks. Even those doing interviews were not wearing masks. I've looked at a lot of photos from Senegal and it seems to me most Senegalese are not wearing masks.

They are taking other common sense actions too. You know, like using chloroquine and azithromycin and have the 3rd highest recovery rate in the world. They sure do make cities like NYC look completely incompetent. NYC has many times Senegal's health care budget, and 800+ times more deaths. If Democrats were smart they would copy what works because that's what intelligent people do. Instead they want to outlaw what works. They want to punish doctors who use what works.

Yeah, you socialists are just a smart, knowledgable bunch who are experts at responding to emergencies. Your outcomes prove your critical thinking abilities. In your eyes 15,233 < 19. Way to go guys. What a masterful job.

 

[User Name]

A decades-old malaria medicine touted by the president as a coronavirus treatment showed no benefit for patients hospitalized in New York.

There was also no noticeable advantage for patients that took the drug paired with the antibiotic azithromycin, according to hotly anticipated research published Monday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

-- https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...-against-coronavirus-in-new-york-study-249429

 

[User Name]

Hydroxychloroquine Fails to Help Coronavirus Patients in Largest Study of the Drug to Date

In a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, scientists led by a team at Columbia University found that people infected with COVID-19 taking hydroxychloroquine do not fare better than those not receiving the drug.

The study published Thursday is the largest to date to investigate the drug, which is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to treat malaria and certain autoimmune disorders, as a treatment for COVID-19. Dr. Neil Schluger, chief of the division of pulmonary, allergy and critical care medicine at Columbia, and his team studied more than 1,300 patients admitted to New York-Presbyterian Hospital-Columbia University Irving Medical Center for COVID-19. Some received hydroxychloroquine on an off-label basis, a practice that allows doctors to prescribe a drug that has been approved for one disease to treat another — in this case, COVID-19. About 60% of the patients received hydroxychloroquine for about five days. They did not show any lower rate of needing ventilators or a lower risk of dying during the study period compared to people not getting the drug.

 

[User Name]

And if you watched the video's I posted from Senegal all the people entering and leaving the testing center were not wearing masks. The scientists and engineers working on test kits, and building ventilators were about 90% free from masks. Even those doing interviews were not wearing masks. I've looked at a lot of photos from Senegal and it seems to me most Senegalese are not wearing masks.

That's odd, I've seen the reverse; for example: [h=1]Second wave of COVID-19 cases sweeps Senegal's holy city[/h] TOUBA, Senegal (Reuters) - Senegal’s holy city of Touba is fighting a second wave of COVID-19 infections, dashing hopes that swift action by authorities had stopped the new coronavirus from spreading in the one-time epicentre. Confirmed cases in Touba have risen seven-fold to more than 190 since a market trader fell ill in April, ending a two-week lull in new cases. Now, as other countries in West Africa, including Nigeria and Ghana, are beginning to ease lockdowns to assist those whose livelihoods were disrupted, Senegal is tightening restrictions to try to contain the outbreak. “Perhaps it’s ignorance or even some denial of the disease,” said Sylla Mbacke, head doctor at Touba’s main health centre, Darou Marnane. “There are some that don’t believe in it at all.”

 

[Gary K]

French Doctor Didier Raoult Cites ‘Scientific Misconduct’ in Recent VA Study on Hydroxychloroquine; Two Major Flaws


The Veterans Health Administration released the results of a study on the efficacy of the drug hydroxychloroquine on patients being treated for COVID-19. The study was funded by grants from the National Institute of Health and the University of Virginia. Researchers found that not only did the drug show no benefit, it may have actually caused harm. Study results can be viewed in the medRxiv online depository.

Researchers included data from 368 COVID-19 patients. 97 were treated with hydroxychloroquine, 113 were administered a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and 158 received “standard supportive management” for COVID-19. Here’s what they found:

The two primary outcomes analyzed in the study were death and the need for ventilation.

About 28 percent who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11 percent of those getting routine care alone.

About 22 percent of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.

Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.

The researchers said, “In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19. An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective,randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.”

Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.​

This was not a peer-reviewed study.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Veterans Affairs issued a statement by email to Fox News which read, “This was not a clinical trial. It is simply an analysis of retrospective data regarding hospitalized patients. The findings should not be viewed as definitive because the analysis doesn’t adjust for patients’ clinical status and showed that hydroxychloroquine alone was provided to VA’s sickest COVID-19 patients, many times as a last resort.”

Sounds pretty grim considering the promising results we’ve seen from other studies.

As you would expect, the mainstream media was thrilled with the bad news about the drug that President Trump has been touting.

One of the studies that showed positive results was conducted by French Dr. Didier Raoult. His study included 1,061 patients who were treated with a combination of
hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and demonstrated 91% effectiveness with zero side effects.

Upon hearing the surprising results of the VA study, Dr. Raoult reviewed their findings and discovered several glaring instances of “scientific misconduct.” Fox News’ Laura Ingraham reported on Raoult’s response on her program Wednesday night. (Video of this segment is at the bottom of the page.)

Ingraham read about the first problem from Raoult’s response, “In the current period, it seems that passion dominates rigorous and balanced scientific analysis and may lead to scientific misconduct and this article [VA findings] is an absolutely spectacular example of this. The analysis of the data shows two major biases…Lymphopenia is twice as common in the HCQ groups as the non-HCQ group and there is an absolute correlation between lymphopenia and fatality rate, which is well known.”

One of the major problems Raoult found was that the HQC and the HQC/Zpak were given after the patients had been intubated. “This is unreasonable at the time of the cytokine storm [after patient is critically ill], as it is unlikely that HCQ alone would be able to control patients at this stage of the disease.”

The rest of the article can be read here.

Imagine that. Actual scientific fraud by the opponents of HCQ. It has a very familiar ring to what the media has been doing to oppose the use of the HCQ regimens.

 

[Gary K]

That's odd, I've seen the reverse; for example: [h=1]Second wave of COVID-19 cases sweeps Senegal's holy city[/h] TOUBA, Senegal (Reuters) - Senegal’s holy city of Touba is fighting a second wave of COVID-19 infections, dashing hopes that swift action by authorities had stopped the new coronavirus from spreading in the one-time epicentre. Confirmed cases in Touba have risen seven-fold to more than 190 since a market trader fell ill in April, ending a two-week lull in new cases. Now, as other countries in West Africa, including Nigeria and Ghana, are beginning to ease lockdowns to assist those whose livelihoods were disrupted, Senegal is tightening restrictions to try to contain the outbreak. “Perhaps it’s ignorance or even some denial of the disease,” said Sylla Mbacke, head doctor at Touba’s main health centre, Darou Marnane. “There are some that don’t believe in it at all.”

Oh, what a huge wave of new infections. They now have a total of 190 cases in a city of 529,000+. That's a total of .0359 % of the population of Touba. What a surge. Don't you understand what you're reading? The article shows just how misleading the headline is when it gets down to the reality of the numbers.

When I posted on Senegal they had 1885 reported cases. They now have 2105 cases. That's the massive increase of 220 cases in a population of 16+ million people. That's .00132% of the population. And they have reported all of 2 new deaths since then. Yeah, the coronavirus is just sweeping Senegal away. For a third world country they are proving just how effective their low budget health care program is, and the heart of it is chloroquine and azithromycin.

Do you actually understand the mortality rate they have in Senegal from the coronavirus? It's .0001259% of the total population. That number is so small it's statistically non-existent. You have to multiply it by 10,000 to reach 1.259%.

 

[User Name]

Oh, what a huge wave of new infections. They now have a total of 190 cases in a city of 529,000+. That's a total of .0359 % of the population of Touba. What a surge. Don't you understand what you're reading?

Yes I do, and the key to their success has been nipping the problem in the bud before it gets out of control. Unlike here.

Of course, It could also be that their health care system is so much better than ours.

 

[Gary K]

Here is a video on how the cholorquine and zinc treatment regimen works. It's the science behind the treatment.

 

[Gary K]

Yes I do, and the key to their success has been nipping the problem in the bud before it gets out of control. Unlike here.

Of course, It could also be that their health care system is so much better than ours.

LOL. Yeah, it is. It is because they don't politicize their health care like the Democrats are doing. The Senagalese use what works, not what some politicians decide should be used because it makes their masters wealthy. And, not coincidentally, allows them to dip their fingers in the river of corruption flowing through Washington D.C.. Look at the science behind the HCQ and zinc treatment to see why it works. Something that cheap and well-known doesn't allow politicians and bureaucrats to make millions off of it. It's the old saw about following the money when it comes to corruption. They would rather see a massive revenue stream for themselves than see healthy people. That doesn't follow their narrative of attempting to make Trump look evil or stupid. They would much rather see people die than see Trump actually benefiting the little guy.

Trump cares. They do not.

 

[User Name]

You notice how the article didn't give actual numbers of those treated, recovered, what was actually "improved"?

The study involving 96,000 patients and published in the peer-reviewed medical journal Lancet found that using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine was linked to increased rates of mortality and heart rhythm complications among hospitalized Covid-19 patients.

-- https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-chloroquine-coronavirus-study-274668

 

[eider]

[h=3][/h] www.bbc.co.uk › news › health-52799120


Coronavirus: WHO halts trials of hydroxychloroquine over ...
2 days ago - Testing of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine as a possible treatment for coronavirus has been halted because of safety fears, the World ...


......... it never looked good.
Sad but true......... just a distraction..............

 

[Gary K]

The study involving 96,000 patients and published in the peer-reviewed medical journal Lancet found that using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine was linked to increased rates of mortality and heart rhythm complications among hospitalized Covid-19 patients.

-- https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...s-study-274668

You are truly an idiot. Within the first two paragraphs I understood that this study was pure fraud, and nothing but fraud. The proof that I was right? The study has been withdrawn because it is fraudulent. I don't see how anyone with even half a brain could read this study and conclude it was legit. The first thing out of the box they said they gave one half the entire patient population either HCQ or CQ alone. As not a single researcher has said that HCQ or CQ was capable of treating a coronavirus patient by themselves the study was designed to reject both medications as 50% of the patients were given a treatment regime that was known to fail. Also notice the lack of zinc in the treatment regimens. There is more that proves this was scientific fraud in the article, but since the authors admit the study was fraudulent and withdrew it there is no point in rehashing it.

Researchers Retract Botched Anti- Hydroxychloroquine Study Which Was Used To Attack Trump

An influential study which found anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine raised the risk of cardiac issues has been retracted by its three authors.
The study, published on May 22 in the UK's prestegious Lancet medical journal, relied on bogus data from a company called Surgisphere, which would not transfer the full dataset for an independent review, and "can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources."

While the company that produced the original data, Surgisphere Corp., had signaled that it would cooperate with an independent review, it ultimately reneged and said doing so would violate confidentiality agreements, wrote the study authors. “As such, our reviewers were not able to conduct an independent and private peer review,” the authors said. -Bloomberg​

Notably, the World Health Organization halted trials of the drug, only to reverse course after the Lancet issued a major disclaimer regarding the study.

"On the basis of the available mortality data, the members of the committee recommended that there are no reasons to modify the trial protocol"-@DrTedros #COVID19

— World Health Organization (WHO) (@WHO) June 3, 2020​

It wasn't just the WHO who used it to knock HCQ either - as the study was heavily relied upon by the left to mock President Trump for taking the drug.

The entire study was fake. Congratulations on using garbage science from con artists to scare sick people away from potentially life-saving treatment. Hope the dank anti-Trump burns were worth it. https://t.co/Gq27Z0FFcz​

"We all entered this collaboration to contribute in good faith and at a time of great need during the Covid-19 pandemic," said the authors. "We deeply apologize to you, the editors, and the journal readership for any embarrassment or inconvenience that this may have caused."

The Party of Science™ lied about science. https://t.co/TarOn9JpZV

— Joel B. Pollak (@joelpollak) June 4, 2020​

Birx, Fauci, and the corrupt media who peddled this fake study from a washed-up sci-fi author and a cam girl owe the entire nation an apology. How many people died from lack of treatment because our nation's "experts" once again got duped by con artists?? pic.twitter.com/bflRhyS2oy

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) June 4, 2020​

Trump has been vindicated by the facts once again.

 

[Gary K]

[h=3][/h] www.bbc.co.uk › news › health-52799120


Coronavirus: WHO halts trials of hydroxychloroquine over ...
2 days ago - Testing of the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine as a possible treatment for coronavirus has been halted because of safety fears, the World ...


......... it never looked good.
Sad but true......... just a distraction..............

You're just as big an idiot as your buddy Username.

The WHO had to reverse themselves because they weren't either honest enough, or smart enough, to recognize fraud when they saw it. I vote for lack of honesty.

 

[User Name]

Trump has been vindicated by the facts once again.

The Lancet withdrew the article at the request of the authors, who wrote about the research of others that now appears to be flawed. Still, there are no studies that I'm aware of that show HCL is an effective treatment for COVID-19.

 

[Trump Gurl]

Still, there are no studies that I'm aware of that show HCL is an effective treatment for COVID-19.

Just a lot of cured people.

Idiot.

 

[Gary K]

The Lancet withdrew the article at the request of the authors, who wrote about the research of others that now appears to be flawed. Still, there are no studies that I'm aware of that show HCL is an effective treatment for COVID-19.

Yeah, they knew it wouldn't pass any investigation. If I could recognize the study was based upon fraud within the first two paragraphs why didn't you? You're positive you know more than I do and are a whole lot smarter, so what's your excuse for falling for something so patently fraudulent?

LOL. Oh, studies are fool proof. :hammer: They are never wrong. :kookoo: Do you have any idea of how many drugs are "studied" to death before they are released to the public, the FDA approves them, and then the drugs which have been "studied" kill a whole lot of people with horrific side effects? This reliance of yours, or should I say looking for some kind of plausibility, on "studies" is so flawed it isn't funny. Ever since "science" has been creating synthesized drugs the frequency of, and seriousness of, the side effects they create has been increasing every year. And these drugs are "studied" for years. That doesn't stop them being released with some very serious side effects. Anyone that relies on "studies" is a fool if you ask me. Trusting "studies" when billions of dollars are at stake is like trusting a con artist to always tell you the truth when he's trying to take money out of your wallet.

The study that really counts is real world experience and we have plenty of that in the case of both HCQ and CQ. Doctors have successfully treated thousands of patients of theirs that have coronavirus and in a report done world wide 37% doctors said those two drugs with zinc and an antibiotic with the most efficacious drugs they had found. Now when you're talking thousands of doctors, hospitals, and clinics world wide the number of drugs tried is a fairly large number. That more than a third of doctors said HCQ and CQ were by far the best says HCQ and CQ hold a plurality. They are more respected by doctors in the field treating patients on a day to day basis than any other drug. Who knows what the percentage would have been if US doctors were allowed to freely dispense HCQ and zinc? It would have been a whole lot higher but by how much is anyone's guess.

The results that count are the results that happen in the field, not the laboratory. The laboratory tests can be faked, can be designed to given a desired result other than the end result of health or death. In the field you can't fake it. It either works or it doesn't. No wonder you despise the "anecdotal" field results. No real world experience for you. You like "studies".

It's like the drug Quack Fauci is pushing. Remdesivir studies were changed mid stream as to what the study results would be. The study started out looking at the number of deaths vs cures, and part way through the study the results looked for were changed to length of hospital stay. That points directly to fraud. Why? Because it's quite obvious by the mid-stream change the original goals weren't looking good, so they changed the studies goals to something else where remdesivir looked more positive. The evidence was in the results anyway because they had to report the number of deaths. They had, if I remember correctly, an 8% death rate. That would have looked pretty bad so they changed the studies goals so they could disguise and deflect from the number of deaths. Like the doctor who panned the study said, it was fraudulent. Yet you and your buddies the Democrats tout this fraud as if it is the gospel truth.

I would think you would show some shame by being taken in time after time, but no, you just keep on trotting out one fraud after another.