Coronavirus, Donald Trump and Medicare for All

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You may or may not be aware of this, but there is a global pandemic going on right now. The coronavirus has an incubation period of anywhere from 14-24 days and is highly contagious even when the patient is displaying no symptoms. And there are cases both in the northern and southern hemispheres. This is not a seasonal illness. It has a kill rate of roughly 2-3%. 84% of cases are either mild or asymptomatic. The other 16% result in serious viral pneumonia which often requires hospitalization. The CDC is projecting that this virus is going to end up infecting anywhere from 40-70% of the global population.

Yes. You read that right. The global population. 40-70% of ALL OF HUMANITY is projected to become infected with this virus.

A direct and immediate result of this is Chinese productivity is down and global supply chains are being disrupted.

The result? The stock market is currently crashing. The most recent losses in just one day? Almost 1200 points down. This global pandemic (at least, to all appearances) seems poised to plunge the world into a global economic depression. Global health crisis. Global economic crisis.

To me, there are two takeaways from this:

1. It is now much less likely that Donald Trump will be reelected in November.

2. This is a clear illustration of why we need Medicare For All.

Our current system is not only economically inefficient (which it is; Americans pay twice as much per capita as do the citizens of EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY ON EARTH; Medicare for all would save anywhere from $12 trillion dollars to $2 trillion dollars over the course of a decade). No. It's a public health hazard.

In the United States of America, 30 million people don't have health insurance, and even among the people who do have health insurance, many of them have high deductibles and copayments.

In the case of a pandemic (like this one), this means that those people may not go to the doctor, get diagnosed and be quarantined. Why? Because they'll be forced to decide between their health (and the health of everyone else) and their pocket books.

And with a disease that only has a kill rate of 2%? You'd better bet on a lot of those uninsured people rolling the dice.

Medicare for all/universal healthcare coverage would stem the spread of communicable diseases.

This is one reason, among others, why I'm voting for #Bernie2020. #NotMeUs
 

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Coronavirus, Donald Trump and Medicare for All

I predict that the "coronavirus" issue will provide a real impetus for Americans to adopt an universal healthcare system - with millions of its citizens without medical insurance and unable/unwilling to afford medical care, the US healthcare system is too fragmented to cope with a major outbreak of a contagious disease that is at least 20X more lethal than the common flu!

If "coronavirus" is the harbinger of things to come, America will require a comprehensive, efficient system whereby millions of uninsured, underinsured and undocumented residents can no longer be allowed to "slip through the cracks" because when faced with a highly infectious virus, a healthcare system is only as good as its weakest link!

The coronavirus should force Americans out of their ideological corners and make it politically and economically obvious that unless all citizens have ready access to healthcare, everyone will continue to placed at risk!
 

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You may or may not be aware of this, but there is a global pandemic going on right now.


ummm

no

no there isn't

don't be a gullible idiot

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The stock market is down over 800 points today.

That new case where an American citizen had a community transmission? Critical condition.

Almost 3000 dead from coronavirus.

Over 84,000 confirmed as being infected.

Japan has declared a state of emergency and has shut down all of their schools for an entire month.

Yeah. This is happening. #GlobalPandemic.
 

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yes, yes, of course

the sky is falling

:yawn:

It actually is falling.

Here's what you're not getting:

It is asyompatic for as many as 24 days, and HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS the entire time. People are getting infected simply by living in the same apartment building as an infected person and sharing the same ventilation system.

Apart from quarantining literally everyone for 3 weeks, there's no real way to stop this thing from spreading.

Tens of millions of people are probably going to die.
 

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You should probably make sure you have at least 2 weeks of food and water on hand.

And if you're old or immunocompromized, you should probably make sure you have your affairs in order.
 

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If "coronavirus" is the harbinger of things to come, America will require a comprehensive, efficient system whereby millions of uninsured, underinsured and undocumented residents can no longer be allowed to "slip through the cracks" because when faced with a highly infectious virus, a healthcare system is only as good as its weakest link!
There is NO SUCH thing as an efficient government run anything!
 

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It's the current system that's highly inefficient. Between the 400 billion dollars per year that Americans waste on the administrative costs of having to deal with so many different health insurance companies and plans and the 100 billion dollars of profiteering that the greedy health insurance corporations are engaging in, we are wasting 500 billion dollars per year on that alone.
 

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There is NO SUCH thing as an efficient government run anything!
Does that mean the federal government should abdicate its role and turn the national response to "coronavirus" over to the private sector?

Given that the private sector was not elected by the American public and is therefore only accountable to its shareholders, what would happen if it will only provide those services in fighting "coronavirus" for which it can make a profit, and only to those who can afford them ?
 

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unsurprisingly, the democrats lie

and gullible fools believe them :sigh:


[h=1]AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness[/h]
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.
He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.
A look at some of the Democrats’ remarks:



https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

 

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Does that mean the federal government should abdicate its role and turn the national response to "coronavirus" over to the private sector?
The post that I quote was with regards to government takeover of medical care.

Given that the private sector was not elected by the American public and is therefore only accountable to its shareholders, what would happen if it will only provide those services in fighting "coronavirus" for which it can make a profit, and only to those who can afford them ?
You think that government officials are accountable?

You have some nutty ideas.
 

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Clinton had the good fortune ( ;) ) to serve during the dotcom boom

That certainly helped in the late 90s, but Clinton began shrinking the deficit well before the dotcom boom started. From my link above: The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the “largest tax increase in history.” It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers.
 

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There are now three confirmed cases of community transmission of the coronavirus in the US. Two in California, one in Oregon.

Those two cases in California? 90 miles apart.
 
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