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  • If one is "born gay" how do you explain ex-gays?

    Just curious.
    WARNING: Graphic video here.

  • #2
    Social/family pressure, politics, religion, gay faddishness.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jefferson View Post
      Just curious.
      people are "born" gay

      similarly, they are "born" pedophiles

      and adulterers

      and bestophiles

      and murderers

      Evil is man's default setting

      Mark 7:20-23
      Genesis 6:5
      Jeremiah 17:9

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      • #4
        Well, for starters there doesn't seem to be a given as to just what "ex gay" even means. It can simply be abstinence from any sort of homosexual relationship as opposed to removing any innate same sex attraction according to sources that promote such a thing. Given that the whole "reparative therapy" has been kicked into touch overall and how many practioners have apologised for the harm they've caused in trying to "cure" it then hey, what's to explain?

        Gay folk are still gonna be gay. Might as well posit that heterosexuals can somehow train themselves to become attracted to the same gender.
        Last edited by Arthur Brain; January 16, 2020, 08:40 PM.
        Well this is fun isn't it?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ok doser View Post

          Evil is man's default setting
          If by “evil” you mean “ devoid of any moral or ethical boundaries or restraint of conscience”, this is just demonstrably untrue.

          The default setting of human beings is general compliance to societal boundaries and guidelines. In any population there is a subset of individuals who have little to no capacity for empathy or compassion, or awareness of harm caused to others. This group represents roughly 5% of the population and are known as sociopaths and psychopaths.





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          • #6
            Originally posted by McCoy View Post

            If by “evil” you mean “ devoid of any moral or ethical boundaries or restraint of conscience”, this is just demonstrably untrue.

            The default setting of human beings is general compliance to societal boundaries and guidelines. In any population there is a subset of individuals who have little to no capacity for empathy or compassion, or awareness of harm caused to others. This group represents roughly 5% of the population and are known as sociopaths and psychopaths.

            It might have been autobiographical, albeit unintentionally...


            Well this is fun isn't it?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
              Might as well posit that heterosexuals can somehow train themselves to become attracted to the same gender.
              As you learned, your (british) government did a study that proved just that - that heterosexuals can indeed train themselves to become attracted to the same gender.
              Last edited by ok doser; January 16, 2020, 09:13 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by McCoy View Post
                The default setting of human beings is general compliance to societal boundaries and guidelines.
                Exactly - and when the societal boundaries and guidelines told the Volksgemeinschaft that the life of the Jew was without value and must be exterminated, they were happy to be compliant

                When the societal boundaries and guidelines told the Russian peasant that the life of the kulak was without value and must be exterminated, they were happy to be compliant. When they were told the life of the Ukrainian peasant was without value and they must be allowed to starve, they were happy to be compliant.

                Similarly with the Chi-coms, the Rwandans, the Turks, the Khmer Rouge and on and on through the bloody history of the twentieth century

                likewise, when you give young impressionable Americans societal boundaries and guidelines that tell them that this
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                is a life without value, they too are happy to be compliant


                now, if you're interested in discussing whether the majority of a population such as Germany or America can rightly be described as suffering from APD, have at it
                Last edited by ok doser; January 16, 2020, 09:41 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                  Gay folk are still gonna be gay.
                  and adulterers are still gonna be adulterers

                  and pedophiles are still gonna be pedophiles

                  and rapers are still gonna be rapers

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                    and adulterers are still gonna be adulterers

                    and pedophiles are still gonna be pedophiles

                    and rapers are still gonna be rapers
                    We (including America's government) should do something about that...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                      Exactly - and when the societal boundaries and guidelines told the Volksgemeinschaft that the life of the Jew was without value and must be exterminated, they were happy to be compliant

                      A 1,000 years of authoritative Church teaching, conspiracy theories, scapegoating myths and bigotry brought Europe very comfortably into January 1933.

                      My reference to societal boundaries was to the universal and innate moral guidelines of harm reduction and fairness-- which the vast majority of the human population adhere to, more often than not. If we didn't we wouldn't have survived this long as a species on the planet. The fact that authoritarian regimes have, at various times in history, exploited this compliant tendency in human beings, doesn't for a moment negate my point that human beings by default adhere to basic moral guidelines and are not completely lawless.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                        and adulterers are still gonna be adulterers

                        and pedophiles are still gonna be pedophiles

                        and rapers are still gonna be rapers
                        And you see all of these offenses as morally equivalent?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jefferson View Post
                          Just curious.
                          They were born ex-gay, but it took them awhile to realize it.

                          No matter what you are to start with, what you decide to be is what you're "born" with.

                          This works with Christians, especially. That's why we are "born again", because we realize that we are in need of a rebirth--that our sin, that some say (perhaps correctly) we were born with, is not how God intended us to be defined. Thus gays, perhaps born in their sins, can be reborn into a new life in Jesus Christ. So ex-gays, as a prime example, are indeed "born" (reborn) that way.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by McCoy View Post

                            And you see all of these offenses as morally equivalent?
                            i do

                            how about you?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by McCoy View Post
                              My reference to societal boundaries was to the universal and innate moral guidelines of harm reduction and fairness-- which the vast majority of the human population adhere to, more often than not.
                              if that was true we wouldn't need locks on our doors or police services

                              heck, we wouldn't need laws

                              human beings by default adhere to basic moral guidelines and are not completely lawless.
                              i didn't say "lawless"

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