Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The idea of 'Climate Change' and 'Global Warming'

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
    You are arguing with some highly skilled experts in cartography and Antarctica who have actually studied the map in detail.

    http://csglobe.com/piri-reis-map-ancient-civilization/
    My source is the University of Wisconsin. Who is your source?

    Comment


    • #47
      Originally posted by User Name View Post
      My source is the University of Wisconsin. Who is your source?
      Darwinists love it when the discussion is over who said what.

      They think it's evidence.
      Where is the evidence for a global flood?
      E≈mc2
      "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

      "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
      -Bob B.

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by User Name View Post
        My source is the University of Wisconsin. Who is your source?
        It's pretty obvious you didn't bother even reading my post. You're sources are arguing with expert cartographers from the US Navy and Air Force. Both the Navy and the Air Force need highly accurate maps and experts from both services said the Piri Reis map was a very accurate map of Queen Maud Island when they compared their maps to the Piri Reis map.

        You go ahead and stick with your bias and I'll stick with mine. I could place absolute proof in your hands and you'd still dismiss it because it contradicts evolution.
        “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
        ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

        “One and God make a majority.”
        ― Frederick Douglass

        Comment


        • #49
          Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
          You're sources are arguing with expert cartographers from the US Navy and Air Force. Both the Navy and the Air Force need highly accurate maps and experts from both services said the Piri Reis map was a very accurate map of Queen Maud Island when they compared their maps to the Piri Reis map.
          Some have supposed the land shown to the south of the Atlantic Ocean to be a depiction of Antarctica, predating the continent’s discovery in the 1820s by three hundred years. This representation of prehistoric Antarctica is supposed to have been copied from ancient maps made tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of years ago. Of the several writers who have made this claim, the best known is Charles Hapgood, author of Maps of the Ancient Sea-Kings (1966). But there appears to be little basis for such assertions, beyond the fact that the Piri Reis Map illustrates a land located south of the Atlantic Ocean, and Antarctica also is located south of the Atlantic Ocean. Piri was not the first or the last to show this southern continent. …

          Hapgood assumed that the original source maps, resulting from an ancient survey of Antarctica, were accurate. He also assumed that the differences between the depictions on the Piri Reis Map and the depictions on these accurate (but unknown) source maps were the result of copying errors made during the compilation of the Piri Reis Map. With these two basic assumptions it was an easy matter for Hapgood to move landmasses, adjust scales, alter orientations, rearrange landforms, redraw coastlines, twist the geographical depictions, and “correct errors” on the Piri Reis Map to match his hypothetical source maps.

          Additionally, to identify features on the Piri Reis Map with features on a modern map, Hapgood ignored the place-names inscribed upon the map—inscriptions that not only tell us what Piri Reis himself said the features were, but also match the place-names of many other maps from the early sixteenth century to the present.


          Source: https://www.fringepop321.com/the-piri-reis-map.htm

          Comment


          • #50
            Originally posted by Stripe View Post
            Darwinists love it when the discussion is over who said what.

            They think it's evidence.
            It's called vetting your sources: https://myelms.umd.edu/courses/10828...ty-of-evidence <-- Look it up. Learn it, love it, and live it. There is a lot of misinformation and disinformation being passed around on the internet as if it were gospel truth. If you guys would vet your sources, you'd embarrass yourselves a lot less often.

            Comment


            • #51
              Originally posted by User Name View Post
              It's called vetting your sources: https://myelms.umd.edu/courses/10828...ty-of-evidence <-- Look it up. Learn it, love it, and live it. There is a lot of misinformation and disinformation being passed around on the internet as if it were gospel truth. If you guys would vet your sources, you'd embarrass yourselves a lot less often.
              Where is the evidence for a global flood?
              E≈mc2
              "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

              "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
              -Bob B.

              Comment


              • #52
                There is a lot of misinformation being passed around on the Internet. If you Darwinists would vet your sources, you'd embarrass yourselves a lot less often.
                Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                E≈mc2
                "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                -Bob B.

                Comment


                • #53
                  Originally posted by User Name View Post
                  Some have supposed the land shown to the south of the Atlantic Ocean to be a depiction of Antarctica, predating the continent’s discovery in the 1820s by three hundred years. This representation of prehistoric Antarctica is supposed to have been copied from ancient maps made tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of years ago. Of the several writers who have made this claim, the best known is Charles Hapgood, author of Maps of the Ancient Sea-Kings (1966). But there appears to be little basis for such assertions, beyond the fact that the Piri Reis Map illustrates a land located south of the Atlantic Ocean, and Antarctica also is located south of the Atlantic Ocean. Piri was not the first or the last to show this southern continent. …

                  Hapgood assumed that the original source maps, resulting from an ancient survey of Antarctica, were accurate. He also assumed that the differences between the depictions on the Piri Reis Map and the depictions on these accurate (but unknown) source maps were the result of copying errors made during the compilation of the Piri Reis Map. With these two basic assumptions it was an easy matter for Hapgood to move landmasses, adjust scales, alter orientations, rearrange landforms, redraw coastlines, twist the geographical depictions, and “correct errors” on the Piri Reis Map to match his hypothetical source maps.

                  Additionally, to identify features on the Piri Reis Map with features on a modern map, Hapgood ignored the place-names inscribed upon the map—inscriptions that not only tell us what Piri Reis himself said the features were, but also match the place-names of many other maps from the early sixteenth century to the present.


                  Source: https://www.fringepop321.com/the-piri-reis-map.htm
                  So, to you a site named fringepop321 sounds like a real reliable source of information. Why? Explain why it is unbiased, reliable, and soundly vetted.

                  One more question for you. When you evaluate data do you start at a completely neutral, completely unbiased starting point, and use that as your starting point for evaluating the data in front of you? Or, do you start with your own set of bias points and underlying paradigms?
                  “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                  ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                  “One and God make a majority.”
                  ― Frederick Douglass

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
                    So, to you a site named fringepop321 sounds like a real reliable source of information.
                    All of my ancestors are human.
                    Originally posted by Squeaky
                    That explains why your an idiot.
                    Originally posted by God's Truth
                    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by User Name View Post
                      It's called vetting your sources: https://myelms.umd.edu/courses/10828...ty-of-evidence <-- Look it up. Learn it, love it, and live it. There is a lot of misinformation and disinformation being passed around on the internet as if it were gospel truth. If you guys would vet your sources, you'd embarrass yourselves a lot less often.
                      Wow. Who would ever have thought of all that? You evolutionists must be some kind of super geniuses to come up with those ideas. We creationists must be complete fools not to vet our sources. Oh, by the way, who vets your sources for you? More evolutionists?
                      “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                      ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                      “One and God make a majority.”
                      ― Frederick Douglass

                      Comment


                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                        LOL. It wasn't meant to be funny. It was just an observation on user name's concept of vetted, reliable sources.
                        “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
                        ― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

                        “One and God make a majority.”
                        ― Frederick Douglass

                        Comment


                        • #57
                          Links and sources are all that user name has; when he tries to speak for himself, it quickly becomes obvious how little he understands.

                          It's fine not to understand; the problems arise when they refuse to recognize their ignorance.
                          Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                          E≈mc2
                          "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                          "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                          -Bob B.

                          Comment


                          • #58
                            Originally posted by ffreeloader View Post
                            So, to you a site named fringepop321 sounds like a real reliable source of information. Why? Explain why it is unbiased, reliable, and soundly vetted.
                            Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                            The author of the "fringepop321" article is Dr. Michael S. Heiser. Who is Dr. Heiser? He is a biblical scholar and an authority on ancient history. Here is a link to his Wikipedia page for more detailed information about him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Heiser

                            As you can see, Dr. Heiser is a credible, reliable source.

                            The author of the other article I linked to (The Piri Reis Map) is Steven Dutch, who is Vice President of the Department of Natural and Applied Sciences at the University of Wisconsin–Green Bay. (He also happens to be a Christian.) Another reputable, credible, reliable source.

                            Both of these sources refute the claims made about the Piri Reis Map regarding Antarctica. Dr. Heiser goes one step further in this video:

                            Dr. Heiser - Piri Reis Map


                            At the 9:22 mark in the above video, Dr. Heiser explains that Charles Hapgood (the source cited in the article Freeloader linked to) fraudulently edited the Piri Reis Map in an attempt to use the map as evidence to justify his pseudoscientific theory of "crust displacement."

                            And that, my friends, is how you vet your sources.
                            Last edited by User Name; August 21st, 2019, 12:58 PM.

                            Comment


                            • #59
                              Originally posted by User Name View Post
                              The author of the "fringepop321" article is Dr. Michael S. Heiser. Who is Dr. Heiser? He is a biblical scholar and an authority on ancient history. Here is a link to his Wikipedia page for more detailed information about him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Heiser
                              His Wikipedia page says this about him.
                              His area of expertise is the nature of the spiritual realm in the Bible, namely the Divine council and hierarchy of the spiritual order.
                              Hardly the expertise that we were looking for.
                              All of my ancestors are human.
                              Originally posted by Squeaky
                              That explains why your an idiot.
                              Originally posted by God's Truth
                              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

                              Comment


                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                                His Wikipedia page says this about him.

                                Hardly the expertise that we were looking for.
                                Gregory C. McIntosh is a scholar of the history of cartography and geographical explorations, particularly of the Americas in the late fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries, and vice president of the California Map Society. This article was adapted from his book, The Piri Reis Map of 1513, published by the University of Georgia Press:

                                Some have supposed the land shown to the south of the Atlantic Ocean to be a depiction of Antarctica, predating the continent’s discovery in the 1820s by three hundred years. This representation of prehistoric Antarctica is supposed to have been copied from ancient maps made tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, of years ago. Of the several writers who have made this claim, the best known is Charles Hapgood, author of Maps of the Ancient Sea-Kings (1966). But there appears to be little basis for such assertions, beyond the fact that the Piri Reis Map illustrates a land located south of the Atlantic Ocean, and Antarctica also is located south of the Atlantic Ocean. Piri was not the first or the last to show this southern continent, but because of Hapgood’s book his map has become famous for its supposed depiction of prehistoric Antarctica.

                                Hapgood assumed that the original source maps, resulting from an ancient survey of Antarctica, were accurate. He also assumed that the differences between the depictions on the Piri Reis Map and the depictions on these accurate (but unknown) source maps were the result of copying errors made during the compilation of the Piri Reis Map. With these two basic assumptions it was an easy matter for Hapgood to move landmasses, adjust scales, alter orientations, rearrange landforms, redraw coastlines, twist the geographical depictions, and “correct errors” on the Piri Reis Map to match his hypothetical source maps.

                                Additionally, to identify features on the Piri Reis Map with features on a modern map, Hapgood ignored the place-names inscribed upon the map — inscriptions that not only tell us what Piri Reis himself said the features were, but also match the place-names of many other maps from the early sixteenth century to the present. Of course, it is not too difficult to make a coastline on an old map look like another coastline on a modern map if one is allowed to change it.

                                In the 1960s several popular writers, including Erich von Däniken, adopted Hapgood’s conclusion that the Piri Reis Map depicts an ice-free Antarctica, and repeated it as proven. To explain this “fact” the writers asserted that the survey of Antarctica must have been made by extraterrestrials (or, alternatively, people from Atlantis) who left accurate maps later copied into the Piri Reis Map. However, the depiction of the southern land on the Piri Reis Map does not even look like the coast of Antarctica — with or without its mantle of ice — as these writers claimed. There is little or no resemblance between Piri’s southern land and Antarctica...


                                Source: http://www.diegocuoghi.com/Piri_Reis...h_PiriReis.htm

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X