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  • #61
    Originally posted by Stripe View Post
    Random mutations and natural selection could never produce a system so reliant on intent and purpose.
    What you are doing here is making a "God of the gaps" argument. Essentially, you are saying, "I don't understand how this process could have evolved naturally; therefore, God did it." If you want to believe that this phenomenon is not the result of natural processes and was supernaturally created as-is, that is up to you. However, "God did it," is not a scientific statement because science deals only with the study of natural processes.
    Last edited by User Name; February 24th, 2015, 08:12 AM.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Stripe View Post
      Creationists have no problem with a squid being able to recode its RNA, because that is consistent with their belief that all creatures are designed.
      Ok, you gotta walk me through that logic. How does "all creatures are designed" follow from "squid can recode their RNA"?
      "The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous." --H.L. Mencken

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Dennyg1 View Post
        History has shown that is 100% false. If the Bible and science were equivalent as sources, then all science would come from a papyrus scroll written by an unknown author with unknown credentials from 2000 years ago.
        Well, that's just wishful thinking on the part of creationists. One fact I don't think anyone with half a brain can deny is that creationism is 100% scientifically irrelevant.
        "The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous." --H.L. Mencken

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        • #64
          Originally posted by User Name View Post
          You are saying, "I don't understand how this process could have evolved naturally; therefore, God did it."
          Nope.

          I am saying random mutations and natural selection cannot provide a pathway to a process that relies on design and intent.

          If squids had a system where they had billions of offspring that all introduced random changes to their RNA and the ones that survived, uh survived, to do the same, perhaps that would be understandable from an evolutionary point of view.
          Where is the evidence for a global flood?
          E≈mc2
          "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

          "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
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          • #65
            Originally posted by 6days View Post
            Although Bill Gates never took any advanced biology class, he understands biology and codes better than you.
            "DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created."
            Bill Gates

            John Sanford has taken advanced biology and he also understands biology better than you.*
            "The genome is an instruction manual...There is no informatiin system designed by man that can even begin to compare to the simplest genome in complexity"
            Dr. Sanford, geneticist




            If you looked at the wiring in the control box of a NASA rocket, I believe you are arrogant enough to tell the engineering dept. that it looks sloppy and redundant. You also are arrogant enough to tell God the same, even though you clearly don't understand the genome.
            This is the simplified illustration of DNA that's often in junior high biology books.
            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ucture.svg.png

            What about that are you confused about? We know how it works. We even know how to manipulate it.
            Here are goats that had spider genes inserted into their genome and now produce silk from their udder things:
            http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-16554357

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Stripe View Post
              Nope.

              I am saying random mutations and natural selection cannot provide a pathway to a process that relies on design and intent.
              Hey. Look at the silk milk goats

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              • #67
                Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                And now, Nick's trying to protect Stipe by lobbing negative rep from his bunker. Why don't you come on out and take part in the discussion, Nick?

                C'mon, it'll be fun.
                Negative rep. What a joke

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Stripe View Post
                  Nope.

                  I am saying random mutations and natural selection cannot provide a pathway to a process that relies on design and intent.
                  You do realize that is exactly the opposite of what your source on this thread says, right?

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                  • #69
                    He knows. He's hoping other people don't read it.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Dennyg1 View Post
                      You do realize that is exactly the opposite of what your source on this thread says, right?
                      When you have something rational to contribute, let us know.

                      What people believe is not going to sway me; only evidence works.
                      Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                      E≈mc2
                      "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                      "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                      -Bob B.

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                      • #71
                        Although Bill Gates never took any advanced biology class, he understands biology and codes better than you.
                        Wouldn't seem so. He seems completely unaware that there are computer programs that are more complex than DNA.

                        John Sanford has taken advanced biology and he also understands biology better than you.*
                        "The genome is an instruction manual...There is no informatiin system designed by man that can even begin to compare to the simplest genome in complexity"
                        John seems to have the same misconception. The fact is, there are computer programs that are more complex than DNA code.

                        Barbarian continues:
                        At the same time, it's DNA is unnecessarily complex. Coding is sloppy and includes redundant codes, which are unnecessary. Which is what you'd expect from an evolved system.

                        If you looked at the wiring in the control box of a NASA rocket
                        I would be surprised to see a nest of wiring. Most everything is on circuit boards and in chips. People quit soldering wires for most such things, a long time ago.

                        I believe you are arrogant enough to tell the engineering dept. that it looks sloppy and redundant.
                        You still don't get it. Evolutionary processes required that sort of thing. This is why genetic algorithms are sloppy and redundant. And yet, evolutionary processes solve engineering problems that are beyond the reach of design.

                        You also are arrogant enough to tell God the same
                        He created that sloppiness and redundancy precisely because it works better than design.

                        Because you clearly don't understand the genome, this makes no sense to you. But it's completely understandable if you accept that it was created, not designed.

                        As engineers have discovered, God chose evolution over design, because it works better.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Stripe View Post
                          When you have something rational to contribute, let us know.

                          What people believe is not going to sway me; only evidence works.
                          No evidence doesn't work. But somehow the Sumerian creation and flood story adapted by the Jews to fit monotheism is your "infallible source."

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                          • #73
                            Well Stripe?

                            Originally posted by Jose Fly View Post
                            Ok, you gotta walk me through that logic. How does "all creatures are designed" follow from "squid can recode their RNA"?
                            "The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous." --H.L. Mencken

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Jose Fly View Post
                              Well Stripe?
                              Because he doesn't understand how it happens. Same 'logic' it has always been.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Dennyg1 View Post
                                No evidence doesn't work. But somehow the Sumerian creation and flood story adapted by the Jews to fit monotheism is your "infallible source."
                                Jesus and other Bible authors refer to Moses writings and other scripture as the ultimate source of truth
                                Without Genesis, absolutely nothing makes sense in all of Scripture.

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