Bob Hill's bottom line?
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Letsargue
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Bob Hill said:
---I agree that we are not justified by the works of the Old Law, Like keeping the Sabbath and offering up blood offerings, OF COURSE. - But the doing the Commandments of Christ is not the Old Law, but is the Law of FAITH. Those are the WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and so faith without those works is dead. God said that also, so which one is not so.
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Bob Hill
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elohiym,
Ephesians 1 tells us of the security of our adoption. Eph 1:3-5 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.
We enter into the full status of our inheritance and enjoyment of our adoption when the rapture takes place. We receive our glorified body then, so the time of our adoption is shown in Rom 8:14-23 “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, ‘Abba, Father.’ 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
The present results of adoption are wonderful. Gal 4:4-7 “But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
We are sealed until the day of redemption when we receive our adoption. So we are indeed secure in this dispensation no matter what sin we might commit. Because God doesn’t want us believers to sin, God gave the method to help us keep from sinning through the Apostle Paul, through the letter to the Roman believers in Romans 6:11-13 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
God would not tell us through Paul “do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead”, if we do not sin after we are truly saved.
In Christ our Savior,
Bob
Ephesians 1 tells us of the security of our adoption. Eph 1:3-5 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.
We enter into the full status of our inheritance and enjoyment of our adoption when the rapture takes place. We receive our glorified body then, so the time of our adoption is shown in Rom 8:14-23 “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, ‘Abba, Father.’ 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
The present results of adoption are wonderful. Gal 4:4-7 “But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
We are sealed until the day of redemption when we receive our adoption. So we are indeed secure in this dispensation no matter what sin we might commit. Because God doesn’t want us believers to sin, God gave the method to help us keep from sinning through the Apostle Paul, through the letter to the Roman believers in Romans 6:11-13 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
God would not tell us through Paul “do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead”, if we do not sin after we are truly saved.
In Christ our Savior,
Bob
Bob Hill
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Lwtsargue, :devil:
It doesn't say faith without works is dead in Paul's epistles. It says it in the Circumcision epistle of James 2:20-26 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James is not applicable to us in the Dispensation of Grace. Notice, James says, "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
It doesn't say faith without works is dead in Paul's epistles. It says it in the Circumcision epistle of James 2:20-26 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James is not applicable to us in the Dispensation of Grace. Notice, James says, "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
Middlemoor
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In reply to OP; that's a bit simplistic. Some people don't agree on what is "salvation."
Faith is believing. Works are doing something which demonstrates that faith.
Salvation by faith:
John 3:16 [jesus]"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."[/jesus]
Works:
Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, [jesus]Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[/jesus]"
Matthew 22:37-40 "Jesus said unto him, [jesus]Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.[/jesus]"
Hence James:
James 2:20-23 "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."
Abraham - Saved by faith alone. Demonstrated faith by works.
Faith without works is like existing with the aid of a ventilator. You stay alive. Faith with works is breathing on your own and taking joy in doing work for the Lord.
Luke 16:19-31. Lazarus believed and did what he was capable of doing for the Lord. The rich man believed also and did what he was capable of doing only for himself. Both were saved. A very pointed object lesson!
Salvation by faith:
John 3:16 [jesus]"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."[/jesus]
Works:
Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, [jesus]Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[/jesus]"
Matthew 22:37-40 "Jesus said unto him, [jesus]Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.[/jesus]"
Hence James:
James 2:20-23 "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."
Abraham - Saved by faith alone. Demonstrated faith by works.
Faith without works is like existing with the aid of a ventilator. You stay alive. Faith with works is breathing on your own and taking joy in doing work for the Lord.
Luke 16:19-31. Lazarus believed and did what he was capable of doing for the Lord. The rich man believed also and did what he was capable of doing only for himself. Both were saved. A very pointed object lesson!
Middlemoor
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Hey Bob, my bottom line is: Love my God with all my heart!