Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 4

[TracerBullet]

We covered your brilliant analogy where you compared the brave souls that have left homosexuality behind with alien abductions from outer space in Part 3,

we didn't leave it, you changed the topic.
Why do you reject the many testimonies of alien abductees?
Don't their testimonies show that alien abduction is a reality?

let's address the organization known as JONAH (Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing)
http://www.jonahweb.org/
Testimonies: http://jonahweb.org/our_stories/

To bad none of these people were ready to get up on teh witness stand and swear to tell the truth

So some sexually confused people (who were either homosexual activists or later teamed up with some) weren't successful in overcoming their same sex desires sued a legitimate organization in a liberal state that has banned all same sex therapy for youth?

Legitimate?

What's your point?

That ex-gay therapy is a sham where sexual perverts participate in and encourage the physical, verbal and sexual abuse of children as young as three.

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Looking back at your first post:

I'd like to know what you meant by these questions:

What did you mean by a "major backlash in the offing" and "into the closet"?

Expound.

Major backlash : Would entail a hard right GOP president, repeal of gay marriage, cultural backlash, media backlash etc.

Yes, as I've discussed numerous times throughout the first 3 threads, it's necessary to elect men and women that hold traditional family values and to change cultural mores' in order to restore decency in our once great nation.

Into the closet: Would entail the religious, traditional , anti-lgbtq becoming as gays were pre-Stonewall.

It goes back much further than the chicken hawking-drug pushing pederasts at the Stonewall Inn. The sexual revolution started with Kinsey back in the 50's.

And thus would eventually have their own Stonewall.

I'm not sure what you mean by "their own Stonewall". Are you implying that the sexual anarchist movement would become violent in order to keep their supposed "rights"? If so, that's a given.

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

We covered your brilliant analogy where you compared the brave souls that have left homosexuality behind with alien abductions from outer space in Part 3,

we didn't leave it, you changed the topic.
Why do you reject the many testimonies of alien abductees?
Don't their testimonies show that alien abduction is a reality?

Please understand that I'm not here attempting to reason with evil people like you, I'm here to expose you and the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement that you represent.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
let's address the organization known as JONAH (Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing)
http://www.jonahweb.org/
Testimonies: http://jonahweb.org/our_stories/

To bad none of these people were ready to get up on teh witness stand and swear to tell the truth

JONAH still exists and is going strong to my knowledge. It appears that your little circus side show in New Jersey didn't do much to slow them down from helping sexually confused people.

Quote:
So some sexually confused people (who were either homosexual activists or later teamed up with some) weren't successful in overcoming their same sex desires sued a legitimate organization in a liberal state that has banned all same sex therapy for youth?

Legitimate?

Refer to my response about attempting to reason with evil.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

What's your point?

That ex-gay therapy is a sham where sexual perverts participate in and encourage the physical, verbal and sexual abuse of children as young as three.

And your LGBTQueer movement molests their minds (and often times their bodies: I'll review the molestation cases of children adopted by homosexuals again) when they're younger than that.


https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2...-for-children/

[patrick jane]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

We covered your brilliant analogy where you compared the brave souls that have left homosexuality behind with alien abductions from outer space in Part 3,



Please understand that I'm not here attempting to reason with evil people like you, I'm here to expose you and the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement that you represent.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
let's address the organization known as JONAH (Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing)
http://www.jonahweb.org/
Testimonies: http://jonahweb.org/our_stories/



JONAH still exists and is going strong to my knowledge. It appears that your little circus side show in New Jersey didn't do much to slow them down from helping sexually confused people.

Quote:
So some sexually confused people (who were either homosexual activists or later teamed up with some) weren't successful in overcoming their same sex desires sued a legitimate organization in a liberal state that has banned all same sex therapy for youth?



Refer to my response about attempting to reason with evil.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

What's your point?



And your LGBTQueer movement molests their minds when they're younger than that.


https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2...-for-children/

ACW - keeping America in line

[aCultureWarrior]

ACW - keeping America in line

Welcome back Simon Baker patrick jane. Either defend the decriminalization of homosexuality or waste someone else's time in another thread.

[GFR7]

It goes back much further than the chicken hawking-drug pushing pederasts at the Stonewall Inn. The sexual revolution started with Kinsey back in the 50's.

Even further back:
New York City had a gay scene in 1890:

I'm not sure what you mean by "their own Stonewall". Are you implying that the sexual anarchist movement would become violent in order to keep their supposed "rights"? If so, that's a given.

I mean TRADITIONALISTS would enter, and then exit, their OWN closet, and become the new liberators (religious and social cons more or less live in the closet now; and the trajectory of history shows closets lead to Stonewalls.

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
It goes back much further than the chicken hawking-drug pushing pederasts at the Stonewall Inn. The sexual revolution started with Kinsey back in the 50's.

Even further back:
New York City had a gay scene in 1890:...

You're confusing subcultures with mainstream society, which the LGBTQueer movement has permeated. Homosexuality was a crime in NY State up until the early 1980's (and later in other states), that doesn't mean that little subcultures didn't exist prior to that.

Quote: aCultureWarrior
I'm not sure what you mean by "their own Stonewall". Are you implying that the sexual anarchist movement would become violent in order to keep their supposed "rights"? If so, that's a given.

I mean TRADITIONALISTS would enter, and then exit, their OWN closet, and become the new liberators (religious and social cons more or less live in the closet now;..

The last time I checked there are still a heck of a lot of social conservatives out there speaking their minds and attempting to change things. We're hardly "in the closet", i.e. hiding out and afraid to speak.

and the trajectory of history shows closets lead to Stonewalls.

You don't know history: societies that embrace perversion don't last long.

[GFR7]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
It goes back much further than the chicken hawking-drug pushing pederasts at the Stonewall Inn. The sexual revolution started with Kinsey back in the 50's.



You're confusing subcultures with mainstream society, which the LGBTQueer movement has permeated. Homosexuality was a crime in NY State up until the early 1980's (and later in other states), that doesn't mean that little subcultures didn't exist prior to that.

Quote: aCultureWarrior
I'm not sure what you mean by "their own Stonewall". Are you implying that the sexual anarchist movement would become violent in order to keep their supposed "rights"? If so, that's a given.



The last time I checked there are still a heck of a lot of social conservatives out there speaking their minds and attempting to change things. We're hardly "in the closet", i.e. hiding out and afraid to speak.



You don't know history: societies that embrace perversion don't last long.

You're completely missing that I am using "Stonewall" SYMBOLICALLY, you first class idjut.

[TracerBullet]

Please understand that I'm not here attempting to reason with evil people like you, I'm here to expose you and the LGBTQueer/sexual anarchist movement that you represent.

you don't use reason at all

Why do you reject the many testimonies of alien abductees?
Don't their testimonies show that alien abduction is a reality?

JONAH still exists and is going strong to my knowledge. It appears that your little circus side show in New Jersey didn't do much to slow them down from helping sexually confused people.

Perverts engaging in and encouraging abuse is helping people?

[aCultureWarrior]

I found this article talking about homosexuality (in specifically strange sex marriage) during the Roman Empire informative.

'Gay' Marriage- Nothing New Under the Sun

May 22, 2012

Gay marriage and homosexuality were part of the moral landscape faced by the first Christians in Ancient Rome.

Given that the gay marriage agenda will be increasingly pressed upon Catholics by the state [and all people of faith], we should be much more aware of what history has to teach us about gay marriage—given that we don’t want to be among those who, ignorant of history, blithely condemned themselves to repeat it.
Contrary to the popular view—both among proponents and opponents—gay marriage is not a new issue. It cannot be couched (by proponents) as a seamless advance on the civil rights movement, nor should it be understood (by opponents) as something that’s evil merely because it appears to them to be morally unprecedented.

Gay marriage was—surprise!—alive and well in Rome, celebrated even and especially by select emperors, a spin-off of the general cultural affirmation of Roman homosexuality. Gay marriage was, along with homosexuality, something the first Christians faced as part of the pagan moral darkness of their time.

What Christians are fighting against today, then, is not yet another sexual innovation peculiar to our “enlightened age,” but the return to pre-Christian, pagan sexual morality.

So, what was happening in ancient Rome? Homosexuality was just as widespread among the Romans as it was among the Greeks (a sign of which is that it was condoned even by the stolid Stoics). The Romans had adopted the pederasty of the Greeks (aimed, generally, at boys between the ages of 12 to 18). There was nothing shameful about such sexual relations among Romans, if the boy was not freeborn. Slaves, both male and female, were considered property, and that included sexual property.

But the Romans also extended homosexuality to adult men, even adult free men. And it is likely that this crossing of the line from child to adult, unfree to free—not homosexuality as such—was what affronted the more austere of the Roman moralists.

And so we hear from Tacitus (56-117 AD), the great Roman historian, of the shameful sexual exploits of a string of Roman emperors from Tiberius to Nero. Nero was the first imperial persecutor of the Christians. His tutor and then advisor was the great Stoic moralist Seneca himself. Unfortunately, Seneca’s lessons must have bounced right off the future emperor. When he took the imperial seat, complete with its aura of self-proclaimed divinity, no trace of Stoic austerity remained.

In Nero, Tacitus tells the reader, tyrannical passion, the hubris of proclaimed divinity, the corruption of power, and “every filthy depraved act, licit or illicit” seemed to reach an imperial peak. He not only had a passion for “free-born boys” but also for quite literally marrying other men and even a boy, sometimes playing the part of the woman in the union and sometimes the man...

We must also add that heterosexuality among the Romans was also in a sad state. Both concubinage and prostitution were completely acceptable; pornography and sexually explicit entertainment and speech were entirely normalized; the provision of sex by both male and female slaves was considered a duty by masters. Paeans to the glory of marriage were made, not because the Romans had some proto-Christian notion of the sanctity of marriage, but because Rome needed more citizen-soldiers just when the Romans were depopulating themselves by doing anything to avoid having children.

The heterosexual moral disrepair in Rome therefore formed the social basis for the Roman slide into homosexual marriage rites...

The Christians found themselves in a pagan culture where there were few restrictions on sexuality at all, other than the imagination—a culture that, to note the obvious but exceedingly important, looks suspiciously like ours...

The Theodosian Code, drawn up by Christian emperors in the fifth century, A.D. made same-sex marriage illegal (referring, as precedent, to edicts published under fourth-century emperors Constantius II and Constans).

We can see, then, that Christians face nothing new in regard to the push for gay marriage. In fact, it is something quite old, and represents a return to the pagan views of sexuality that dominated the Roman Empire into which Christianity was born.

Read article in it's entirety:
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/I...r_the_sun.aspx

[GFR7]

I found this article talking about homosexuality (in specifically strange sex marriage) during the Roman Empire informative.

'Gay' Marriage- Nothing New Under the Sun

May 22, 2012

Gay marriage and homosexuality were part of the moral landscape faced by the first Christians in Ancient Rome.

Given that the gay marriage agenda will be increasingly pressed upon Catholics by the state [and all people of faith], we should be much more aware of what history has to teach us about gay marriage—given that we don’t want to be among those who, ignorant of history, blithely condemned themselves to repeat it.
Contrary to the popular view—both among proponents and opponents—gay marriage is not a new issue. It cannot be couched (by proponents) as a seamless advance on the civil rights movement, nor should it be understood (by opponents) as something that’s evil merely because it appears to them to be morally unprecedented.

Gay marriage was—surprise!—alive and well in Rome, celebrated even and especially by select emperors, a spin-off of the general cultural affirmation of Roman homosexuality. Gay marriage was, along with homosexuality, something the first Christians faced as part of the pagan moral darkness of their time.

What Christians are fighting against today, then, is not yet another sexual innovation peculiar to our “enlightened age,” but the return to pre-Christian, pagan sexual morality.

So, what was happening in ancient Rome? Homosexuality was just as widespread among the Romans as it was among the Greeks (a sign of which is that it was condoned even by the stolid Stoics). The Romans had adopted the pederasty of the Greeks (aimed, generally, at boys between the ages of 12 to 18). There was nothing shameful about such sexual relations among Romans, if the boy was not freeborn. Slaves, both male and female, were considered property, and that included sexual property.

But the Romans also extended homosexuality to adult men, even adult free men. And it is likely that this crossing of the line from child to adult, unfree to free—not homosexuality as such—was what affronted the more austere of the Roman moralists.

And so we hear from Tacitus (56-117 AD), the great Roman historian, of the shameful sexual exploits of a string of Roman emperors from Tiberius to Nero. Nero was the first imperial persecutor of the Christians. His tutor and then advisor was the great Stoic moralist Seneca himself. Unfortunately, Seneca’s lessons must have bounced right off the future emperor. When he took the imperial seat, complete with its aura of self-proclaimed divinity, no trace of Stoic austerity remained.

In Nero, Tacitus tells the reader, tyrannical passion, the hubris of proclaimed divinity, the corruption of power, and “every filthy depraved act, licit or illicit” seemed to reach an imperial peak. He not only had a passion for “free-born boys” but also for quite literally marrying other men and even a boy, sometimes playing the part of the woman in the union and sometimes the man...

We must also add that heterosexuality among the Romans was also in a sad state. Both concubinage and prostitution were completely acceptable; pornography and sexually explicit entertainment and speech were entirely normalized; the provision of sex by both male and female slaves was considered a duty by masters. Paeans to the glory of marriage were made, not because the Romans had some proto-Christian notion of the sanctity of marriage, but because Rome needed more citizen-soldiers just when the Romans were depopulating themselves by doing anything to avoid having children.

The heterosexual moral disrepair in Rome therefore formed the social basis for the Roman slide into homosexual marriage rites...

The Christians found themselves in a pagan culture where there were few restrictions on sexuality at all, other than the imagination—a culture that, to note the obvious but exceedingly important, looks suspiciously like ours...

The Theodosian Code, drawn up by Christian emperors in the fifth century, A.D. made same-sex marriage illegal (referring, as precedent, to edicts published under fourth-century emperors Constantius II and Constans).

We can see, then, that Christians face nothing new in regard to the push for gay marriage. In fact, it is something quite old, and represents a return to the pagan views of sexuality that dominated the Roman Empire into which Christianity was born.

Read article in it's entirety:
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/I...r_the_sun.aspx

As a couple of posters pointed out in the comments section beneath this article:

This sort of "gay marriage" was a mockery, a satire, and a farce, on the part of the very wealthy and decadent.

It was by no means the "global commitment to equality" or the sexual anarchy for the masses movement which exists today, and flies under the banner NOT of "decadence", but of fairness, equality, civil rights, and democracy.

These people of antiquity were flaunting decadence and immorality: they were not dressing it up as progress in civil rights. ***eta: This makes our own time the more dangerous and almost impossible to fight against or denounce (without being called regressive or bigoted).

[Christian Liberty]

Your suggestion is designed to target a specific group of people, how is that not genocide? There is something seriously wrong with you.

Is it genocide to say that all murderers should be put to death? All rapists? By your definition it is. By God's standard homosexual contact is also perverted and wicked.

And just how do you plan on "proving" it, Mr. Liberty?

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Originally Posted by Christian Liberty
I'm talking about enforcing a law against an activity when said activity is provable. That's not genocide.



It might get a bit expensive by having this in every American bedroom (public toilets, parks and bathhouses where homosexuals frequently engage in sex), but by golly this'll clean up the homosexuality problem that our country has, right Jr.?

Well, aCW is a statist but no, you cannot put cameras in everyone's homes to make sure nobody engages in homosexuality (I find it odd that aCW is sarcastically suggesting this since, while we agree on very very little, recriminalizing sodomy is one thing we do agree on). You can't preemptively presume guilt. If people do it in private, they'll likely get away with it and there's nothing we can do about it. But if they are seen by two witnesses, or their act is provable by equivalent evidence, than they should be punished by the State because that's what the Bible says.

[Quetzal]

Is it genocide to say that all murderers should be put to death? All rapists? By your definition it is. By God's standard homosexual contact is also perverted and wicked.

We are not talking about murderers. We are not talking about rapists. Those people have a choice whether or not to commit those acts and are held accordingly. Very separate issues.

[Christian Liberty]

We are not talking about murderers. We are not talking about rapists. Those people have a choice whether or not to commit those acts and are held accordingly. Very separate issues.

Yes, and people who feel homosexual (I'll grant that this isn't a choice) have a choice whether to engage in those perverted acts or not, and if they do choose to engage the Bible says that deserves death.

Now, as I mentioned, it is in question whether the death penalty has to be applied in every instance. It is possible that Moses intended death to be the maximum penalty but for lesser penalties to be available as well. Arguments for this would include Numbers 35:31, and the fact that in other cases (such as adultery) the victim had the right to decide whether death would be required or not.

But even if we say death every time, that's for the ACTION of homosexual sex, NOT for the feelings involved. So yes, its similar to murder or rape. Its a heinous violation of God's moral law.

[Quetzal]

Yes, and people who feel homosexual (I'll grant that this isn't a choice)...

I am going to stop you right here. So you acknowledge that sexual orientation is not a choice and yet hold them accountable when they act on those orientations? Is it all romantic acts or just the homosexual ones?