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  • #76
    Originally posted by MichaelCadry View Post
    Dear Stuu,

    No, it is by actual selection by God according to how He will change any of His creations.

    Michael
    So now we have not only special creation but special change? Mahvelous.
    "Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight in vain", G. Smiley

    "Send money, guns and lawyers..." W. Zevon

    "If it is possible for something to happen, that is evidence that it did happen." Stripe on TOL

    "There but for fortune...", P. Ochs

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    • #77
      Originally posted by MichaelCadry View Post
      Dear Stuu,

      No, it is by actual selection by God according to how He will change any of His creations.

      Michael
      Michael, you clearly live in a world of total fantasy where material evidence and actual physical laws are to be generally ignored since after all they'd probably only be the way of what you prefer to believe anyway.

      Darwinian evolution concerns an often cruel, brutal and harsh physical combative reality, a vicious dog eat dog race to survive, species must either evolve or die. Changes to creatures come about because of environmental competitive necessity not because of some benign divine whim. Flora and fauna have evolved their own individual methods of attack or defence, predators or prey.

      However in Michael's fantasy world there are beautiful angels, creatures are either all nice and fluffy things or evil killers. Plants are either just beautiful decorations or food or perhaps the work of the Satan (if poisonous and harmful), but nevertheless it is a world designed for human beings to live in, overseen by God who seems to be sitting on a throne looking down benignly from the Moon until the big day comes, quite soon now apparently.

      With your fantasy world firmly in place you choose to cocoon yourself away from the nasty real world, the fact that life actually does evolve without supernatural input, and generally all of its natural problems by simply denying actual reality and replacing it with a "reality" of your own.
      Michael, perhaps it's now time you should wake up and smell the coffee? Seriously.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by alwight View Post
        the fact that life actually does evolve without supernatural input,
        how did it start?
        a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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        • #79
          Originally posted by MichaelCadry View Post
          No, it is by actual selection by God according to how He will change any of His creations.


          how convenient . . .
          "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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          • #80
            Evolution is a mathematical impossibility and remains so.
            Stipe once told us that. After several years of me asking him to show us his numbers, he admitted he didn't have any. So, I'm not very optimistic in asking you for them, but I guess we should give you a chance to show us you aren't just blowing smoke.

            Let's see what you've got.

            Also to many Gaps
            Ah, "Gish's Excuse"; "Every new transitional fossil creates two new gaps."

            and lack of evidence.
            We can test that. Name me any two major groups, said to be evolutionarily connected, and I'll see if I can find a transitional for you.

            Explain the workings of a single cell and how it evolved.
            So far, every time we find out how something works in the cell, it's been chemical. So, I think God was right when He says the Earth brought forth living things. Can you think of even one exception?

            And it's most telling that the one structure that is absolutely essential to cellular life, is also the most simple and easiest to form. Would you like to learn some of the details?
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            • #81
              Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
              how did it start?
              Obviously only the Christian God could have dunnit, right?

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              • #82
                Originally posted by alwight View Post
                Obviously only the Christian God could have dunnit, right?
                how else could it have started?
                a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                  how else could it have started?
                  Well, my guess, given the right building blocks (nucleic acids, which seem to fall from space), and suitable conditions and time, then a self replicating molecule coming together somewhere at some point in time might even be rather more inevitable than not.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by alwight View Post
                    Well, my guess, given the right building blocks (nucleic acids, which seem to fall from space), and suitable conditions and time, then a self replicating molecule coming together somewhere at some point in time might even be rather more inevitable than not.
                    so you have no reasonable explanation
                    or
                    even a reason to believe?
                    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                      so you have no reasonable explanation
                      or
                      even a reason to believe?
                      Reason is always better than magic. See Occam's Razor
                      I think it more interesting to be a Rising Ape than a Falling Angel - Terry Pratchet

                      ---Science is the poetry of reality---

                      Plenty of things happen after you die but none of them will involve you.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Hedshaker View Post
                        Reason is always better than magic. See Occam's Razor
                        so what is your reason?
                        a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                          so you have no reasonable explanation
                          or
                          even a reason to believe?
                          Reason is always better than magic. See Occam's Razor

                          And by the way, where did this magical creator come from? Or do we special plead that one away, as usual?
                          I think it more interesting to be a Rising Ape than a Falling Angel - Terry Pratchet

                          ---Science is the poetry of reality---

                          Plenty of things happen after you die but none of them will involve you.

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                          • #88
                            so where is your reason?
                            a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                              so what is your reason?
                              Nature. How, is not yet known, if ever it will be. Yours?
                              I think it more interesting to be a Rising Ape than a Falling Angel - Terry Pratchet

                              ---Science is the poetry of reality---

                              Plenty of things happen after you die but none of them will involve you.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Hedshaker View Post
                                Nature. How, is not yet known, if ever it will be. Yours?
                                how does that explain life?
                                a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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