A Slam Dunk From LMOHM...

[Arthur Brain]

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3403944&postcount=81#top

Sadly, I agree.

Imagine for just a moment that I was back in Uganda where I lived for a few months a couple of years ago. If I saw someone dying on the street or even if I knew someone was sick and needed medication, my first thought wouldn't be 'do you have a job?' It would be, 'how can I help?'

I became good friends with a nice lad called Shoghi who's mother was a widow, had HIV and was trying to bring up 5 kids whilst not working. One day when I was at their house it became a choice between feeding her children or getting her HIV medication. I happily paid for her to get the treatment she needed and even helped her get the food she needed. How could I do otherwise?

Isn't this the same principle as a health service, just on a much smaller and more personal scale? As a Christian, I felt obligated to help out that family. As a human, I felt compassion which also caused me to want to help.

I do not understand the attitude of people like Nick M, I really don't. I can't help everyone personally who needs it so as far as I'm concerned, paying for healthcare out of taxes is a good use of money. Far better than the way we humans love spending money devising new ways to kill each other.

If that isn't Christian charity, empathy and compassion in action I'd love to know what is....

:BRAVO:

 

[Tambora]

Congrats, LMOHM.

I agree that you did a very nice thing of your own free will.

 

[Lighthouse]

What some don't seem to understand is that those of us who oppose the use of tax money for such are merely in opposition to the government doing for us that which we can do for ourselves, as lmohm has demonstrated we are perfectly capable.

We can help our friends and neighbors who are truly in need; we don't need the government to do that.

 

[Arthur Brain]

What some don't seem to understand is that those of us who oppose the use of tax money for such are merely in opposition to the government doing for us that which we can do for ourselves, as lmohm has demonstrated we are perfectly capable.

We can help our friends and neighbors who are truly in need; we don't need the government to do that.

With a national health system it's ensured that medical aid is available to all. It wouldn't by any means be ensured if it were left to people to donate charitably, in fact it would be ensured that many would suffer as a result of such. Not everyone would care as much about people as LMOHM. Plenty folk wouldn't give help at all.

 

[Lighthouse]

With a national health system it's ensured that medical aid is available to all. It wouldn't by any means be ensured if it were left to people to donate charitably, in fact it would be ensured that many would suffer as a result of such. Not everyone would care as much about people as LMOHM. Plenty folk wouldn't give help at all.

That's a pretty presumptive blanket statement.

 

[Arthur Brain]

That's a pretty presumptive blanket statement.

It's a realistic one. Not everyone gives to charity. Fact. Take away the safety net of a national health service providing for all and many people would suffer and die as a result of not receiving medical aid. You would have to be seriously naive to deny this.

 

[Lighthouse]

It's a realistic one. Not everyone gives to charity. Fact. Take away the safety net of a national health service providing for all and many people would suffer and die as a result of not receiving medical aid. You would have to be seriously naive to deny this.

The US currently has no NHS, and hasn't for a very long time, are you claiming many people suffer and die here because of that?

 

[Arthur Brain]

The US currently has no NHS, and hasn't for a very long time, are you claiming many people suffer and die here because of that?

It still has a system albeit differently governed to the UK. Provision is still provided through government in the public sector so are you suggesting that those uninsured rely on handouts for treatment? If so then there'll have been plenty who haven't received the help they needed. It stands to reason.

 

[annabenedetti]

If that isn't Christian charity, empathy and compassion in action I'd love to know what is....

Congrats LMOHM.

And to AB for his willingness to engage in discussion on the subject matter of the POTD.

 

[xAvarice]

The US currently has no NHS, and hasn't for a very long time, are you claiming many people suffer and die here because of that?

LOL! When you're having presidential candidates who have friends die because of a lack of healthcare... YES.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3403944&postcount=81#top





If that isn't Christian charity, empathy and compassion in action I'd love to know what is....

:BRAVO:

Obviously Arthur Brain is applauding this:

"....so as far as I'm concerned, paying for healthcare out of taxes is a good use of money."

Being that LMOHM was born into a socialist society and doesn't know about the free enterprise system and more importantly that socialism is unbiblical:

http://americanvision.com/god-versus-socialism-a-biblical-critique-of-the-new-social-gospel/

 

[Arthur Brain]

Obviously Arthur Brain is applauding this:

"....so as far as I'm concerned, paying for healthcare out of taxes is a good use of money."

Being that LMOHM was born into a socialist society and doesn't know about the free enterprise system and more importantly that socialism is unbiblical:

http://americanvision.com/god-versus-socialism-a-biblical-critique-of-the-new-social-gospel/

Britain isn't a 'socialist' society you complete goof. If you think having a health service available to all means such then you carry on Connie. Or better yet get back to your own pet blog thread...

lain:

 

[Lighthouse]

It still has a system albeit differently governed to the UK. Provision is still provided through government in the public sector so are you suggesting that those uninsured rely on handouts for treatment? If so then there'll have been plenty who haven't received the help they needed. It stands to reason.

English?

 

[Tambora]

What some don't seem to understand is that those of us who oppose the use of tax money for such are merely in opposition to the government doing for us that which we can do for ourselves, as lmohm has demonstrated we are perfectly capable.

We can help our friends and neighbors who are truly in need; we don't need the government to do that.

I agree, which is why I included "of your own free will" in my congrats post.

 

[Arthur Brain]

English?

What was difficult to understand?

:AMR:

 

[Lighthouse]

I agree, which is why I included "of your own free will" in my congrats post.

:thumb:

 

[Lighthouse]

What was difficult to understand?

:AMR:

I don't know what it was, but it just didn't read well to me.

"It [the US] still has a [government healthcare] system albeit differently governed to [from] the [NHS in the] UK. Provision is still provided through [the] government in [to] the public sector[.] o are you suggesting that those [who are] uninsured [should or do]* rely on handouts for treatment? If so then there'll have been plenty who haven't received the help they needed. It stands to reason.

*This is where it got away from me. Are you asking if I'm suggesting they should, or suggesting they do?

 

[Rusha]

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3403944&postcount=81#top

If that isn't Christian charity, empathy and compassion in action I'd love to know what is....

:BRAVO:

:thumb:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Britain isn't a 'socialist' society you complete goof. If you think having a health service available to all means such then you carry on Connie. Or better yet get back to your own pet blog thread...

lain:

You've been smelling the socialist air so long Arthur that you don't even know what free enterprise is.


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Jobseekers Allowance

The unemployed may claim welfare in the form of Jobseekers Allowance. It is available to those who can prove that they are actively seeking work between the ages of 18 and 65...

Incapacity Benefit

For those who are too ill to work, a variety of benefits may be available. The most readily available is Incapacity Benefit. Individuals who are deemed medically incapable of work may claim up to £91.40 ($131.87) per week. For those with serious disabilities, a number of government grants are also available to pay for caregivers, building modifications and other necessary medical treatment. Disability benefits are generally means tested.

Housing Benefit

The unemployed, people on extremely low incomes, and those deemed medically unable to work may also claim help with their rent. This is paid by the local authority in which the person lives. Some poor individuals live in state-owned or subsidized housing and pay a much lower rent to live there with their families.

Child Tax Credits

Working Families Tax Credits are available for parents who are over 16 and work more than 16 hours per week. If the parent is over 25, he must work at least 30 hours per week. Child Benefit is also available for parents who support their children's education...

State Pension

The current U.K. retirement age is 65. At this age, individuals may claim the State Pension. Most people also take out private or company pensions while working, but as long as enough National Insurance payments have been made over a person's working life, a full State Pension is available to everyone..."

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[Arthur Brain]

You've been smelling the socialist air so long Arthur that you don't even know what free enterprise is.


Social Welfare Programs in England

"Britain has a long history of state-funded social welfare. The reforming government of Lloyd George set in motion the development of the welfare state, which culminated in the Beveridge Report of 1941. It set out to provide security for all citizens from "cradle to grave" and cater to surviving soldiers from the Second World War. The resulting legislation, implemented after the war, introduced the idea of National Insurance. This is a tax paid by all working adults that supplements other forms of government income to fund old-age pensions, disability benefits, social housing and support for the unemployed. In 1948, the NHS was created to give free health care to all at the point of need. Current forms of British social welfare are described in this article.

Jobseekers Allowance

The unemployed may claim welfare in the form of Jobseekers Allowance. It is available to those who can prove that they are actively seeking work between the ages of 18 and 65...

Incapacity Benefit

For those who are too ill to work, a variety of benefits may be available. The most readily available is Incapacity Benefit. Individuals who are deemed medically incapable of work may claim up to £91.40 ($131.87) per week. For those with serious disabilities, a number of government grants are also available to pay for caregivers, building modifications and other necessary medical treatment. Disability benefits are generally means tested.

Housing Benefit

The unemployed, people on extremely low incomes, and those deemed medically unable to work may also claim help with their rent. This is paid by the local authority in which the person lives. Some poor individuals live in state-owned or subsidized housing and pay a much lower rent to live there with their families.

Child Tax Credits

Working Families Tax Credits are available for parents who are over 16 and work more than 16 hours per week. If the parent is over 25, he must work at least 30 hours per week. Child Benefit is also available for parents who support their children's education...

State Pension

The current U.K. retirement age is 65. At this age, individuals may claim the State Pension. Most people also take out private or company pensions while working, but as long as enough National Insurance payments have been made over a person's working life, a full State Pension is available to everyone..."

http://www.ehow.com/list_6542488_social-welfare-programs-england.html

Uh, that doesn't make Britain a socialist state you plank.