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  • #16
    Originally posted by Tambora View Post
    I agree, which is why I included "of your own free will" in my congrats post.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
      What was difficult to understand?

      I don't know what it was, but it just didn't read well to me.

      "It [the US] still has a [government healthcare] system albeit differently governed to [from] the [NHS in the] UK. Provision is still provided through [the] government in [to] the public sector[.] [S]o are you suggesting that those [who are] uninsured [should or do]* rely on handouts for treatment? If so then there'll have been plenty who haven't received the help they needed. It stands to reason.

      *This is where it got away from me. Are you asking if I'm suggesting they should, or suggesting they do?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
        http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...stcount=81#top

        If that isn't Christian charity, empathy and compassion in action I'd love to know what is....

        A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man
        we can trust with nuclear weapons.

        Bill Clinton






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        • #19
          Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
          Britain isn't a 'socialist' society you complete goof. If you think having a health service available to all means such then you carry on Connie. Or better yet get back to your own pet blog thread...

          You've been smelling the socialist air so long Arthur that you don't even know what free enterprise is.


          Social Welfare Programs in England


          "Britain has a long history of state-funded social welfare. The reforming government of Lloyd George set in motion the development of the welfare state, which culminated in the Beveridge Report of 1941. It set out to provide security for all citizens from "cradle to grave" and cater to surviving soldiers from the Second World War. The resulting legislation, implemented after the war, introduced the idea of National Insurance. This is a tax paid by all working adults that supplements other forms of government income to fund old-age pensions, disability benefits, social housing and support for the unemployed. In 1948, the NHS was created to give free health care to all at the point of need. Current forms of British social welfare are described in this article.

          Jobseekers Allowance

          The unemployed may claim welfare in the form of Jobseekers Allowance. It is available to those who can prove that they are actively seeking work between the ages of 18 and 65...

          Incapacity Benefit

          For those who are too ill to work, a variety of benefits may be available. The most readily available is Incapacity Benefit. Individuals who are deemed medically incapable of work may claim up to £91.40 ($131.87) per week. For those with serious disabilities, a number of government grants are also available to pay for caregivers, building modifications and other necessary medical treatment. Disability benefits are generally means tested.

          Housing Benefit

          The unemployed, people on extremely low incomes, and those deemed medically unable to work may also claim help with their rent. This is paid by the local authority in which the person lives. Some poor individuals live in state-owned or subsidized housing and pay a much lower rent to live there with their families.

          Child Tax Credits

          Working Families Tax Credits are available for parents who are over 16 and work more than 16 hours per week. If the parent is over 25, he must work at least 30 hours per week. Child Benefit is also available for parents who support their children's education...

          State Pension

          The current U.K. retirement age is 65. At this age, individuals may claim the State Pension. Most people also take out private or company pensions while working, but as long as enough National Insurance payments have been made over a person's working life, a full State Pension is available to everyone..."

          http://www.ehow.com/list_6542488_soc...s-england.html
          The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
          http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
          http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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          • #20
            Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
            You've been smelling the socialist air so long Arthur that you don't even know what free enterprise is.


            Social Welfare Programs in England


            "Britain has a long history of state-funded social welfare. The reforming government of Lloyd George set in motion the development of the welfare state, which culminated in the Beveridge Report of 1941. It set out to provide security for all citizens from "cradle to grave" and cater to surviving soldiers from the Second World War. The resulting legislation, implemented after the war, introduced the idea of National Insurance. This is a tax paid by all working adults that supplements other forms of government income to fund old-age pensions, disability benefits, social housing and support for the unemployed. In 1948, the NHS was created to give free health care to all at the point of need. Current forms of British social welfare are described in this article.

            Jobseekers Allowance

            The unemployed may claim welfare in the form of Jobseekers Allowance. It is available to those who can prove that they are actively seeking work between the ages of 18 and 65...

            Incapacity Benefit

            For those who are too ill to work, a variety of benefits may be available. The most readily available is Incapacity Benefit. Individuals who are deemed medically incapable of work may claim up to £91.40 ($131.87) per week. For those with serious disabilities, a number of government grants are also available to pay for caregivers, building modifications and other necessary medical treatment. Disability benefits are generally means tested.

            Housing Benefit

            The unemployed, people on extremely low incomes, and those deemed medically unable to work may also claim help with their rent. This is paid by the local authority in which the person lives. Some poor individuals live in state-owned or subsidized housing and pay a much lower rent to live there with their families.

            Child Tax Credits

            Working Families Tax Credits are available for parents who are over 16 and work more than 16 hours per week. If the parent is over 25, he must work at least 30 hours per week. Child Benefit is also available for parents who support their children's education...

            State Pension

            The current U.K. retirement age is 65. At this age, individuals may claim the State Pension. Most people also take out private or company pensions while working, but as long as enough National Insurance payments have been made over a person's working life, a full State Pension is available to everyone..."

            http://www.ehow.com/list_6542488_soc...s-england.html
            Uh, that doesn't make Britain a socialist state you plank.
            Well this is fun isn't it?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
              Uh, that doesn't make Britain a socialist state you plank.
              LOL...if you say so Arthur.
              The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
              http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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              • #22
                Britain has never been socialist...we know we live here, in the 80's when the lefties took over the Labour party Labour didn't get so much as a sniff of government even though the Tories under Thatcher were hated like no other modern government.

                There has NEVER been a communist mp. Labour only wins when they come back to the centre. Americans are politically brainwashed in this matter.

                Labour were certain to win in '92 until pillock Kinnock did this
                Pillock Kinnock loses Labour the 92 election
                One lavished upon in the Beloved
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                  Britain has never been socialist...
                  What would you call all of those "cradle to grave" social programs?
                  The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
                  http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
                  http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                    What would you call all of those "cradle to grave" social programs?
                    You mean like my grandparents struggling to live on a pension after working for at least 60 years (from around 16)...

                    I like how we're commenting on another nation's politics, it seems some don't like it here in reverse, the difference is familiarity - we're not drowning.

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                    • #25
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
                      What would you call all of those "cradle to grave" social programs?

                      Originally posted by xAvarice View Post
                      You mean like my grandparents struggling to live on a pension after working for at least 60 years (from around 16)...
                      So you're not arguing that England is a socialist state?

                      I like how we're commenting on another nation's politics, it seems some don't like it here in reverse, the difference is familiarity - we're not drowning.
                      Both Arthur Brain and LMOHM are from England, hence the reason I'm commenting on another nation's politics.

                      The US is going into the sewer just as fast as England is. Obviously you're not familiar with economics, or you'd be concerned with national debt. Here's Great Britains:
                      http://www.debtbombshell.com/
                      The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
                      http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
                      http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                        Quote:
                        Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
                        What would you call all of those "cradle to grave" social programs?



                        So you're not arguing that England is a socialist state?



                        Both Arthur Brain and LMOHM are from England, hence the reason I'm commenting on another nation's politics.

                        The US is going into the sewer just as fast as England is. Obviously you're not familiar with economics, or you'd be concerned with national debt. Here's Great Britains:
                        http://www.debtbombshell.com/
                        I wouldn't mind you commenting on another nations politics if you actually knew something about it....

                        Benefits and healthcare are not responsible for the state of the economy. In case you hadn't noticed there's been a global recession in the last few years.

                        Come to think on it the current prime minister here is slashing benefits and forcing sick people back into the jobs market. You'd probably love him...

                        Well this is fun isn't it?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                          Quote:
                          Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
                          What would you call all of those "cradle to grave" social programs?

                          So you're not arguing that England is a socialist state?
                          =S why would my grandparents be struggling on a pension if it was a socialist state?

                          Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                          Both Arthur Brain and LMOHM are from England, hence the reason I'm commenting on another nation's politics.
                          Feel free, I've just seen many comments that say things like "tend your own lawn" and various other things meaning keep your nose out.

                          Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
                          The US is going into the sewer just as fast as England is. Obviously you're not familiar with economics, or you'd be concerned with national debt. Here's Great Britains:
                          http://www.debtbombshell.com/

                          I appreciate your presumption, it does you no merit. As for national debt... I'm convinced you're the one dragging others into the sewer with your heedless financial sector.

                          Your comment is a real headscratcher, OBVIOUSLY I'm not familiar with economics...?

                          I at least wait for you to show your ignorance, please extend me the same generosity.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                            What some don't seem to understand is that those of us who oppose the use of tax money for such are merely in opposition to the government doing for us that which we can do for ourselves, as lmohm has demonstrated we are perfectly capable.

                            We can help our friends and neighbors who are truly in need; we don't need the government to do that.
                            This is true, the problem is government.

                            the government collects money from us, an then charities cry out for money to help the instant needy, an then people arive at the seen of poverty an give personally out of their own hand into the Hand of the needy that can't see any aid arriving in the distance.

                            TI bet, he vatican will watch its own Nation go hungry an watch the world race into help.

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