Why would God need a hell?

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Mickiel

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.Matt. 1:21 the angel said that Jesus would " save his people from their sins." All have sinned and that same all is saved!
 
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chrysostom said:
you have to repent
-and
-you have to ask for help
-you have to do your part
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Well you are giving the Christian view; you have to do this and you have to do that, and you have to do this and you must do that;

Salvation is a done deal , there is nothing a human can do to add to what Christ has done. Christians are just task masters, like the Pharisses, they want to make conversion a complicated thing.
 
iouae

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chrysostom said:
you have to repent
-and
-you have to ask for help
-you have to do your part
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Entirely correct.

This idea that all are saved is nuts.
The idea that all are born, by default saved, because the atoning sacrifice is applied to all WITHOUT CONDITIONS is nuts.
The idea that all are saved would mean there is no place for the word "hell" or phrase "lake of fire".
 
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Mickiel said:
Well you are giving the Christian view; you have to do this and you have to do that, and you have to do this and you must do that;

Salvation is a done deal , there is nothing a human can do to add to what Christ has done. Christians are just task masters, like the Pharisses, they want to make conversion a complicated thing.
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then what are you doing here?
-if
-it is a done deal
 
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iouae said:
Entirely correct.

This idea that all are saved is nuts.
The idea that all are born, by default saved, because the atoning sacrifice is applied to all WITHOUT CONDITIONS is nuts.
The idea that all are saved would mean there is no place for the word "hell" or phrase "lake of fire".
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This is what the world needs to be saved from; this danger to salvation; religions that seek to " Shut off the Kingdom from men" and limit salvation. Christian doctrine is dooming more people than sin is. In Matt. 23:13 Jesus teaches about this religious spirit that seeks to " Shut off the Kingdom from people."
 
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chrysostom said:
there is no room for those who do not want to be there
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There is no room in Christianity, but Christians don't control God's Kingdom, and unbelievers are very fortunate of that. God is able to change the heart of those who are stupid and ignorant and don't know any better. All God has to do is keep Christianity out of it, and sinners will be changed.
 
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Mickiel said:
This is what the world needs to be saved from; this danger to salvation; religions that seek to " Shut off the Kingdom from men" and limit salvation. Christian doctrine is dooming more people than sin is. In Matt. 23:13 Jesus teaches about this religious spirit that seeks to " Shut off the Kingdom from people."
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If everyone is automatically saved, then how can Christian doctrine doom anyone, or shut off the kingdom. The very scripture you quote proves that the kingdom CAN be "shut off" and some ARE "doomed".
 
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iouae said:
If everyone is automatically saved, then how can Christian doctrine doom anyone, or shut off the kingdom. The very scripture you quote proves that the kingdom CAN be "shut off" and some ARE "doomed".
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Matt. 23:13 showed the Pharisees were " Trying to shut off heaven from people", by limiting salvation from THEIR point of view, which is exactly what Christianity is still trying to do today, they are just " Modernday Pharisees." Men " Try" to take the Kingdom by violence, but they cannot; men " Try" to limit who can receive salvation, but they cannot. You argue for hell, because you believe in it; you argue for limiting salvation because you believe in doing it. You argue against the salvation of all, because you don't believe it.
 
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Mickiel said:
Matt. 23:13 showed the Pharisees were " Trying to shut off heaven from people", by limiting salvation from THEIR point of view, which is exactly what Christianity is still trying to do today, they are just " Modernday Pharisees." Men " Try" to take the Kingdom by violence, but they cannot; men " Try" to limit who can receive salvation, but they cannot. You argue for hell, because you believe in it; you argue for limiting salvation because you believe in doing it. You argue against the salvation of all, because you don't believe it.
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You obviously have a lot of time which you don't know what to do with it.

If you are right, you don't have to worry about us Christians keeping anyone out of the kingdom, because all are saved, according to you.
 
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