Why I Don't Believe in Calvinism or Predestination

Robert Pate

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Many in false religion, make the claim that they have placed their faith in Christ,
as if by their performing of this work / action, that it results in their becoming saved.
But they are deceived.


Eph. 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.


A man who has not been given John 3:27 Spiritual Life in the New Birth,
is a spiritually dead man, void of the Spirit of God, incapable of doing anything,
or performing any work in the flesh that pleases God.


Rom. 8:7-8 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Rom. 8:9b - Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


The Faith that pleases God is a Spiritual Blessing which is bestowed upon
all the Election of Grace Eph. 1:3-4 in their lifetime.

That's why Paul refers to it as the Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:1.

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God imposess salvation on no one.

No one is forced to accept Christ as their savior.

Salvation is a gift from God. If it is impossed upon you it is no longer a gift, it is an imposition.

If God imposed salvation on anyone that would make him unjust. That is why salvation is by grace through faith.

God is not responsible for anyones salvation. Salvation has been freely provided for all. We have the freedom to accept or to reject.

"Today if you hear his voice, harden not your heart" Hebrews 3:15.
 

Nanja

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God imposess salvation on no one.

God is not responsible for anyones salvation. Salvation has been freely provided for all. We have the freedom to accept or to reject.


You lie against God, and continue to show disdain for His Word!


Grace was given to all God's Adopted Sons before the foundation Eph. 1:4-5.

2 Tim. 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works,
but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began


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Robert Pate

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You lie against God, and continue to show disdain for His Word!


Grace was given to all God's Adopted Sons before the foundation Eph. 1:4-5.

2 Tim. 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works,
but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began


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There is nothing in Ephesians 1:4, 5. that says that you were individually predestinated before the foundation of the world.

What it does say and is compatible with the bible is that God chose all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ.

How else would you be holy and without blame before him in love?

Jesus Christ is God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God now sees all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. That does not mean everyone is saved. There will be a judgment of believers and unbelievers when Chist appears.
 

beloved57

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There is nothing in Ephesians 1:4, 5. that says that you were individually predestinated before the foundation of the world.

What it does say and is compatible with the bible is that God chose all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ.

How else would you be holy and without blame before him in love?

Jesus Christ is God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God now sees all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. That does not mean everyone is saved. There will be a judgment of believers and unbelievers when Chist appears.

You teach that some whom God sees in Christ, will see them out of Christ if they dont do something !

You believe God sees people in Christ and then out of Christ ! Thats confusing and makes God inconsistent !
 

beloved57

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There is nothing in Ephesians 1:4, 5. that says that you were individually predestinated before the foundation of the world.

What it does say and is compatible with the bible is that God chose all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ.

How else would you be holy and without blame before him in love?

Jesus Christ is God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God now sees all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20. That does not mean everyone is saved. There will be a judgment of believers and unbelievers when Chist appears.

Thats a false statement, Eph 1:4 does not say that God chose all humanity in His Son Jesus Christ !
 

beloved57

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God imposess salvation on no one.

No one is forced to accept Christ as their savior.

Salvation is a gift from God. If it is impossed upon you it is no longer a gift, it is an imposition.

If God imposed salvation on anyone that would make him unjust. That is why salvation is by grace through faith.

God is not responsible for anyones salvation. Salvation has been freely provided for all. We have the freedom to accept or to reject.

"Today if you hear his voice, harden not your heart" Hebrews 3:15.

Blasphemy to the Highest degree ! Salvation is of the Lord ! Jonah 2:9

But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.
 

Robert Pate

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Blasphemy to the Highest degree ! Salvation is of the Lord ! Jonah 2:9

But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.


Of course salvation is of the Lord.

It is God's great free gift for all of humanity.

Romans 5:15, The free gift of grace.

Romans 5:16, The free gift of justification.

Romans 5:17, The free gift of righteousness.

Romans 5:18, The free gift of justification of life.

God just pours out blessing on all of humanity.
 

beloved57

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Of course salvation is of the Lord.

It is God's great free gift for all of humanity.

Romans 5:15, The free gift of grace.

Romans 5:16, The free gift of justification.

Romans 5:17, The free gift of righteousness.

Romans 5:18, The free gift of justification of life.

God just pours out blessing on all of humanity.

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beloved57

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Of course salvation is of the Lord.

It is God's great free gift for all of humanity.

Romans 5:15, The free gift of grace.

Romans 5:16, The free gift of justification.

Romans 5:17, The free gift of righteousness.

Romans 5:18, The free gift of justification of life.

God just pours out blessing on all of humanity.

You just said that God is not responsible for anyone's salvation! That's blasphemy!
 

Nanja

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God just pours out blessing on all of humanity.


No, He does not. You're lying again!


God is not blessing these:


Reprobates Titus 1:16 KJV

Seed of the serpent John 8:44; Mat. 23:33

Seed of the wicked Ps. 37:28 KJV; Mat. 13:38

Ungodly men 2 Pet. 3:7

Vessels of God's Wrath Rom. 9:22

Ordained by God to be condemned Jude 1:4 KJV

Those with blinded minds 2 Cor. 4:4 KJV

Those who remain spiritually Deaf John 8:43 KJV, John 8:47 KJV

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Robert Pate

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No, He does not. You're lying again!


God is not blessing these:


Reprobates Titus 1:16 KJV

Seed of the serpent John 8:44; Mat. 23:33

Seed of the wicked Ps. 37:28 KJV; Mat. 13:38

Ungodly men 2 Pet. 3:7

Vessels of God's Wrath Rom. 9:22

Ordained by God to be condemned Jude 1:4 KJV

Those with blinded minds 2 Cor. 4:4 KJV

Those who remain spiritually Deaf John 8:43 KJV, John 8:47 KJV

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You have a very negative view of the nature and character of God.

Thats why you don't trust him or believe in him.
 

nikolai_42

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I never ceased to be amazed at some of the people that I know of that have become Christians, including myself.

At what point did you become that person that you were before you became a Christian? Did you choose that?

I was probably voted the most likely to go to hell.

But I heard the call and answered with a big yes.

What changed?

God's Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ. They either come or they don't, its their decision.

"Today if you will hear his voice, harden not your heart" Hebrews 3:15.

"So we see that some could not enter in because of unbelief" Hebrews 3:19.
 

Robert Pate

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No, He does not. You're lying again!


God is not blessing these:


Reprobates Titus 1:16 KJV

Seed of the serpent John 8:44; Mat. 23:33

Seed of the wicked Ps. 37:28 KJV; Mat. 13:38

Ungodly men 2 Pet. 3:7

Vessels of God's Wrath Rom. 9:22

Ordained by God to be condemned Jude 1:4 KJV

Those with blinded minds 2 Cor. 4:4 KJV

Those who remain spiritually Deaf John 8:43 KJV, John 8:47 KJV

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You will not and cannot find any scripture where God has sent anyone to hell.

Do you want to know why?

It is because people send themselves to hell, not God.
 

Robert Pate

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At what point did you become that person that you were before you became a Christian? Did you choose that?



What changed?

I heard that Christ shed his blood for me and I was convicted by the Holy Spirit of my need for him. That was over 45 years ago and I have not been the same since.
 

beloved57

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I heard that Christ shed his blood for me and I was convicted by the Holy Spirit of my need for him. That was over 45 years ago and I have not been the same since.

You teach that millions for whom Christ lived and died for, she'd His Blood for, wind up in Hell for their sins!
 

Robert Pate

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Because God didn't create our spirits, and they are inherently unequal. Some are more thoughtful than others.

God treats us all the same under the law, for He is no respecter of persons.

Right.

Jesus provided salvation for the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

Now its our responsibility to believe in him, John 1:12.
 
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