Why Don't the Liberals Want a Wall?

[MerlinMagus]

The Democratic Party has become radicalized. You need another civil war to clean the political spectrum or maybe some states becoming independent. Another good idea will walling California.


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[WizardofOz]

The Democratic Party has become radicalized.

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. Both are corrupt in their own way and only work to separate the citizenry. Your us vs them mentality is backward. It should be us (the citizens) vs them (the politicians). I'd wager you have more in common with your typical citizen who happens to vote democrat than you do your typical D.C. Republican.

You need another civil war to clean the political spectrum or maybe some states becoming independent. Another good idea will walling California.

How would that work?

 

[ok doser]

just take a giant eraser to all those blue parts


except hawaii

 

[musterion]

The Democratic Party has become radicalized.

It has been radicalized at least as far back as when Democrats created the KKK.

 

[The Barbarian]

It has been radicalized at least as far back as when Democrats created the KKK.

Wait 150 years and guess what?

They changed sides. For reasons we all understand.

 

[musterion]

Wait 150 years and guess what?

They changed sides. For reasons we all understand.

Democrats are still racists and always will be.

 

[ok doser]

Democrats are still racists and always will be.

Racists to the Right, Anti-Semites to the Left In a populist age, can party establishments sideline bigots? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/opinion/populism-racism-anti-semitism.html

Whites, Blacks, and Racist Democrats: The Untold Story of Race and Politics Within the Democratic Party https://www.amazon.com/Whites-Blacks-Racist-Democrats-Democratic-ebook/dp/B00AZNOJ5Y

Are White Republicans More Racist Than White Democrats? lots more charts here! https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/

Republican Is Not a Synonym for Racist Conservatives must reckon with their policies’ discriminatory effects. That would be more likely if liberals stopped carelessly crying bigot. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/conservatism-without-bigotry/544128/

this one is the key, to me:

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist https://video.foxnews.com/v/5968514652001/#sp=show-clips

and it is an unsolvable problem, as we see with barbie here - the retarded left is so entrenched in their thinking that they're impervious to facts, to logic, to reason


i think we have to recognize that, as conservatives, we have a responsibility to prevent our fellow countrymen who are disadvantaged, who lack the mental ability to reason, who choose to identify as leftist/liberal/democrat - we have a responsibility to keep them from ruining our country, as a parent has the responsibility to keep children from ruining the house, from hurting themselves and each other

 

[ok doser]

For reasons we all understand.

i used to think you posted stuff like this because you're a troll

i now realize that you post stuff like this because you have a mental illness


but you're still a troll

 

[ok doser]

Racists to the Right, Anti-Semites to the Left In a populist age, can party establishments sideline bigots? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/opinion/populism-racism-anti-semitism.html

Whites, Blacks, and Racist Democrats: The Untold Story of Race and Politics Within the Democratic Party https://www.amazon.com/Whites-Blacks-Racist-Democrats-Democratic-ebook/dp/B00AZNOJ5Y

Are White Republicans More Racist Than White Democrats? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/

Republican Is Not a Synonym for Racist Conservatives must reckon with their policies’ discriminatory effects. That would be more likely if liberals stopped carelessly crying bigot. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/conservatism-without-bigotry/544128/

Poll: Most Democrats see Republicans as racist, sexist https://video.foxnews.com/v/5968514652001/#sp=show-clips

this was a quick search and it shows that there are sincere, well-intentioned people concerned with the issue, willing to spend time and energy on considering the problems and making suggestions

one problem i see is the marginalization of fringe groups - barbie posted a pic of a KKK banner - those people are our countrymen, our citizens - they support trump because they feel he represents their interests better than any other candidate/president

that's not to say he supports all of their interests

but if trump supports interests that appeal to this group - law and order, border security, drain the swamp, etc - why shouldn't they be welcomed as trump supporters?

if not trump, who?

why shouldn't these people have a voice, why shouldn't they belong? they're americans, yes?

 

[musterion]

From the '60s onward Democrats set out to destroy the black family unit (and they've largely succeeded) in order to mentally re-enslave black people into believing they're unable to survive without the tax-funded largesse granted them by their Democrat plantation owners. They've largely succeeded at that, too. Lots of brave black folks have caught on to the Democrat's scam but are immediately denounced and un-personned if they dare speak up...Uncle Toms, Oreos, etc.

We have two options as to why this happened:

1. Democrats truly are racists with an abominably low view of black people and sought to exploit them because they're racists.

2. Democrats aren't really racist but have merely fooled black people into selling themselves into a perpetual Leftist voting block in order to maintain Democrat power and feed Democrat causes (the multi-generational welfare state, the abortion industry, the drug trade, etc).

Now either way you view it, AT THE VERY LEAST Democrats are evil, cynical, lying hypocrites who've exploited and destroyed black people in their pursuit of power and money...which is indistinguishable from what would happen if Democrats were actual racists.

Point is, even if Democrats really aren't racists, for over 50 years they have behaved exactly as vile racists would behave. Even if they don't hate black people for the reasons racists would, Democrats demonstrably despise black people and have nothing but contempt for them, as proved by what they've done to black families.

 

[The Barbarian]

Democrats are still racists and always will be.

You think Donald Trump is a democrat? :chuckle:

Why is it always about race for you guys? It's about why Americans don't want the wall.

Twenty-six days into what has become the longest government shutdown in US history and Americans still don’t think the border wall would be worth it.

Only 29 percent of Americans think it would be “unacceptable” to reopen the government without substantially expanding physical barriers on the southern border with Mexico, a new Pew Research Center survey conducted from January 9 to 14 shows. Meanwhile, 58 percent of Americans still oppose the border wall altogether.
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/16/18184442/poll-shutdown-border-wall-trump

I don't see how you can insert a racist angle into that data.

 

[musterion]

You think Donald Trump is a republican? :chuckle:

Go be racist somewhere else.

 

[The Barbarian]

I have an idea, Musty. How about taking your racial theories and make a new thread about them? Then the adults could discuss the wall here.

Worth a try?

 

[musterion]

I have an idea, Musty. How about taking your racial theories and make a new thread about them? Then the adults could discuss the wall here.

Worth a try?

Verbose and witless is no way to go through life.

Change begins with you.

 

[ok doser]

I have an idea, Musty. How about taking your racial theories and make a new thread about them? Then the adults could discuss the wall here.

Worth a try?

I have an idea barbie. How about taking your tired foolishness to a site where you'll be welcome? Then the members of TOL could have discussions without your database-wasting trolling.

Worth a try?


let's see what the boss thinks:

The Barbarian is a jerk who has posted on TOL for years and when he makes a database wasting post he exposes himself to possible banishment. Heck it wouldn't hurt my feeling at all to permanently ban him.

 

[musterion]

Barbie would fit right in at Christian Forums, if he isn't already there.

 

[musterion]

I have an idea barbie. How about taking your tired foolishness to a site where you'll be welcome? Then the members of TOL could have discussions without your database-wasting trolling.

Worth a try?

He's hopeless. All you'll ever get from Barbie:

 

[ok doser]

he'll be banned again soon - its inevitable

 

[The Barbarian]

No problem. The people who want to discuss the OP can discuss the OP and (well, you know)can continue to talk about race.

As support for the wall declines, Trump has few options:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/upshot/trump-border-wall-polls.html

As the third government shutdown of President Donald Trump’s tenure stretched into its 20th day, political pressures on Trump and the Democrats have left little room for compromise in the standoff over funding for a border wall. Most prominently, Trump’s narrow focus on the desires of his most ardent supporters has him convinced he cannot back off his signature campaign promise without facing backlash. Some powerful Republican allies in Washington and beyond are cheering on his demands for $5.7 billion funding for the wall, even if some remain uneasy.
...
Overall, 54 percent of Americans oppose construction of a wall along the Mexican border, according to a Quinnipiac poll released in December. At the same time, 86 percent of Republicans backed the proposal.

Those numbers have helped keep Democrats united in opposition.
https://www.apnews.com/ad8c1851713940089cf05a923c2a0f36

 

[Crucifer]

The wall isn't going up, and this will be a major problem for Trump next term.
I knew it from the get go as soon as the subject got hot that this would be Trump's blunder- what was 100% going to be Trump has become 50/50 next term.